Good question and I am curious too. We actually have a no-forwarding
e-mail policy and not just to AOL. But... sometimes the customer
dictates what they want or will go elsewhere and we then allow on a
case-by-case basis. If we allowed for every customer I bet we would be
blacklisted already. I am still fearful AOL may blacklist on what little
traffic we do have getting forwarded. Thanks.

-Don

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Flook
Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 12:43 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Client TOS Notifications from AOL

On this note, what are other's policy on forwarding client's addresses
to AOL accounts?  We signed up with this feedback loop program quite
some time and realized that 95% of the reported "spam's" where coming
from forwarded messages to AOL accounts.  In the event of forwarded
messages, our IMail box takes the blame instead of the original MTA.

I have considered creating a policy of not allowing mail forwarding to
AOL accounts for fear of getting blacklisted from AOL.

Steve 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Don Schreiner
> Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 11:37 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Client TOS Notifications from AOL
> 
> Kami  & John,
> 
> Thanks a ton guys! That was me that registered on the AOL 
> feedback loop using our abuse addy, but going back months ago 
> and did not realize. So much to keep up with battling Spam! 
> Just a few more points on my Declude weight and would not 
> have made it to AOL - ohhh well - will keep tweaking our config.
> 
> -Don
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Tolmachoff (Lists)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 10:31 AM
> Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Client TOS Notifications from AOL
> 
> 
> Some one at your company signed up and registered to receive 
> these feedback
> loop messages.
> 
> http://postmaster.info.aol.com/tools/fbl.html
> 
> John Tolmachoff
> Engineer/Consultant/Owner
> eServices For You
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail-
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Don Schreiner
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 7:09 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Client TOS Notifications from AOL
> >
> > Declude Folks,
> >
> > I need some help figuring out why we are receiving e-mails from
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject Line: Client TOS Notification, and the Sent To
> address
> > is [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am not sure if these 
> are coming back
> to
> > me in our abuse or postmaster account? There is nothing in 
> the body of the
> > e-mail, only an attachment of e-mail apparently getting 
> rejected. Anyone
> > else seeing these? The client we host forwards his e-mail 
> automatically to
> > his AOL account. For example, below is the header of an 
> e-mail that was
> > attached whereas a spam e-amail appears to have been sent 
> to our client
> > (lamphier.com) hosted on our IMail server (sneezy.xerocom.net -
> > vacant.spiderhost.com is router) which was forwarded to his 
> AOL account.
> > Unfortunately it did not weight enough under our Declude config, nor
> Sniffer
> > to get held as Spam. Any ideas what AOL is doing or what I 
> should do to
> > eliminate these most appreciated. Worried about getting on 
> the wrong side
> of
> > AOL. Thanks.
> >
> > -Don
> >
> > Return-Path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Received: from  rly-xa05.mx.aol.com (rly-xa05.mail.aol.com 
> [172.20.64.41])
> > by air-xa03.mail.aol.com (v101_r1.4) with ESMTP id
> MAILINXA31-7341621d0d322;
> > Tue, 05 Oct 2004 00:03:36 -0400
> > Received: from  SNEEZY.XEROCOM.NET (vacant.spiderhost.com 
> [65.57.241.197])
> > by rly-xa05.mx.aol.com (v101_r1.5) with ESMTP id
> > MAILRELAYINXA55-7341621d0d322; Tue, 05 Oct 2004 00:03:25 -0400
> > Received: from SMTP32-FWD by lamphier.com
> >   (SMTP32) id A1BF42BA100B8F0C3; Mon,  4 Oct 2004 23:58:48
> > Received: from pelxavirus3.terra.com.pe [200.48.36.5] by
> SNEEZY.XEROCOM.NET
> > with ESMTP
> >   (SMTPD32-8.12) id ABF42BA100B8; Mon, 04 Oct 2004 23:58:44 -0400
> > Received: from anamaria (unknown [200.106.79.108])
> >  by pelxavirus3.terra.com.pe (Postfix) with ESMTP id 295EDB7CA4;
> >  Mon,  4 Oct 2004 23:07:07 -0500 (PET)
> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <Undisclosed Recipients>
> > From: "Anni" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: Proposal
> > Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 23:03:21 -0500
> > MIME-Version: 1.0
> > Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
> > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> > X-RBL-Warning: NOABUSE: "Not supporting [EMAIL PROTECTED]"
> > X-RBL-Warning: HELOBOGUS: Domain pelxavirus3.terra.com.pe 
> has no MX or A
> > records [0301].
> > X-RBL-Warning: WEIGHT1-9: Total weight between 1 and 9.
> > X-Declude-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [200.48.36.5]
> > X-Declude-Spoolname: D1bf42ba100b8f0c3.SMD
> > X-Note: CompBiz scanned with Declude JunkMail.
> > X-Spam-Tests-Failed: NOABUSE, HELOBOGUS, WEIGHT1-9 [7].
> > X-Note: This E-mail was sent from smtp7.terra.com.pe 
> ([200.48.36.5]).
> > X-Sender: Sender of E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > X-Note: RevDNS Remote Server smtp7.terra.com.pe ([200.48.36.5]).
> > X-AOL-IP: 65.57.241.197
> > X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version)
> >
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> > permanently=
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> >
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> >
> >
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