Hmmm....looks like you can't have it both ways....can't lock it down to only
allow traffic from the barracuda is you want your users to be able to send
through it as well.

I would suggest setting up a separate outgoing-only SMTP server that
authenticates appropriately, then allow traffic from both it and the
barracuda in IMail's SMTP security.

Darin.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Grant Griffith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 9:49 AM
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Blocking Dictionary Attacks


The Barracuda Firewall is an incoming only server, not able to use it to
send out messages.  I still have Declude running on the Imail box to catch
anything the Barracuda might miss.


Thanks,
Grant Griffith
EI8HT LEGS, A Division of ETC
(877)483-3393
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-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darin Cox
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 9:45 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Blocking Dictionary Attacks

Hmmm...are your users trying to send to your Barracuda box, or your IMail
server?  Seems to me they should be sending to your Barracuda.  Obviously by
locking the IMail server down, you're not allowing them to send directly to
it anymore.

Darin.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Grant Griffith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 9:21 AM
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Blocking Dictionary Attacks


I am denying access to all except for the barracuda IP.  I did restart the
service after making the change.  I am running 8.14 if that matters.


Thanks,
Grant Griffith
EI8HT LEGS, A Division of ETC
(877)483-3393
(812)933-5390
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darin Cox
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 9:24 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Blocking Dictionary Attacks

Are you granting access or denying access?  BTW, you will probably need to
restart SMTP after changing this.

Darin.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Grant Griffith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 8:21 AM
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Blocking Dictionary Attacks


If I set the IP of our Barracuda in there, then no users can send from
Outlook regardless if they are using Authentication or not.


Thanks,
Grant Griffith
EI8HT LEGS, A Division of ETC
(877)483-3393
(812)933-5390
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darin Cox
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 9:40 AM
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Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Blocking Dictionary Attacks

IMail Administrator, SMTP Service, Security tab, Control Access button.

Darin.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Grant Griffith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 9:14 AM
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Blocking Dictionary Attacks


OK, I am going to jump in here as I would like to know how to tell the
server to only accept email from the gateway, but also still allow users to
send if they authenticate.  I know this might be obvious, but I have not
found a way to do this.


Thanks,
Grant Griffith
EI8HT LEGS, A Division of ETC
(877)483-3393
(812)933-5390
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darin Cox
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 8:59 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Blocking Dictionary Attacks

A gateway is the only solution I know of for distributed dictionary attacks.
Since the attacks are coming from all over the place, there's no IP to
block.

All the gateway does is move the brunt of the attack off of the primary mail
server to the gateway server.  The gateway server should then become your
primary MX record, replacing your existing server, and the "real" primary
should be locked down to only receive SMTP traffic from your gateway.  That
way attackers who cache your MX records won't be able to continue to hit it.

Darin.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Schreiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 5:20 AM
Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Blocking Dictionary Attacks


Are there any new strategies for blocking dictionary attacks with Declude?
Our log files are growing and mostly due to the following stacking up it
seems a zillion times over...

ERR MAIL.DOMAIN.NET invalid user

We have used BlackIce for years and helps a lot for those that try X number
SMTP fails in X seconds, but does not handle all these invalid user
attempts. I searched archives and found good thread back in March this year
"How do they do it?" and Scott replied a Declude solution may be possibly
forthcoming. We only handle about 15k messages a day and small shop. Len's
IMgate or another Postfix gateway solution I know would be best - but not
affordable for us right now installing and managing a separate Linux box. It
is difficult for me to keep up-to-date with daily posts, so wondering if any
new strategies I might have missed.  Thanks!

-Don


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