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Hi,
Amazon I happen to know first hand so if it's
*realy* from amazone.... I would have a quick look why it was held but..... all
the other domain names.... I don't know them. Neither do I have the time to
investigate these things. It's like you wrote, if I see then held... There's
probably a reason for it. Being the postmaster overhere is a part-time job, this
is primarily a mailserver for us internaly. We are a "school" with about
2000 students and staff. I'm processing about 4K messages a day.
As to "rules", I don't have specific rules, I just
want to make sure we keep our mail as clean as possible. It is primarily for
internal use. If that means some automated messages from some sources don't get
through, to bad. I'll look into it when someone complains. So far, except
for some individual cases, no one has complained certain messages did not
get to them, which to me means I'm doing not to bad.
Groetjes,
Bonno Bloksma
.... Back up my hard drive? How do I put it in
reverse?
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 3:30
AM
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: How
to define "spam" and "ham"
Bonno,
Unfortunately 'knowing' is rarely the result of
first hand experience in this case, at least without a good deal of focus and
research over time. Personally, I have found that E-mail coming from the
the better bulk-mail providers rarely breaks my rules. Generally if you
have heard of the company represented in the E-mail and it comes from a first
rate bulk-mail provider, they do in fact not violate the rules very often if
at all. Some companies also perform their own bulk-mailing such as
Amazon, and they should be especially aware of the potential of being
blacklisted. There are others of course that don't really care, and the
primary violation is typically some form of harvesting where they purchase
addresses or re-use them from other resources. It's rare that a company
that you have heard of not honoring opt-outs, though sometimes due to multiple
internal working groups and not having a central repository for managing such
subscriptions, a company might unsubscribe you to one list only to introduce
another one that you are default-opted-into.
I guess what I was really
after was what people like yourself do when you find that an ad for Amazon,
J.Crew, Office Max, or even Orbitz is blocked by your system. Do you
block them purposefully? Do you just go with the flow figuring that if
they are blacklisted there is a reason? Do you research the sender and
take corrective action? Or do you just simply wait for users to complain
about something being blocked? And regardless of the action that you
take, what are your 'rules', or are there any specific rules that you or
others use?
Thanks,
Matt
Bonno Bloksma wrote:
Matt,
Although I agree with your reasoning, my
problem would then be.... how do I determine who belongs to what catagorie?
Overhere I see stuff getting caught which is definitely a newsletter of some
sorts but I don't know whether the user requested it or not. Nor whether the
user might want it or not.
As we have a lot of students with a very divers
interest area it's impossible to know what is normal. Also being the mail
admin is only a (small) part-time job overhere, as long as it's running.....
;-)
I keep telling my students "don't unsubscribe
as it will only increase your spam". Now maybe *I* can make a exeption by
reading a list of companies that honor opt-out but I know most of our
students and staff would not. They'd either unsubscribe or not, without
reading such a list, "it's too much work". ;-(
Groetjes,
Bonno Bloksma
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Original Message -----
Sent:
Monday, December 20, 2004 2:01 PM
Subject:
[Declude.JunkMail] OT: How to define "spam" and "ham"
This was the subject of a
recent off-list discussion between myself and Pete where there was a
perception that my definition of spam was too conservative or rather my
definition of ham was too liberal. While I readily admit that in
practice, I do personally wish to block many fewer things that I
consider to be legitimate first-party advertising than most do, I don't
necessarily get the impression that the definitions that I use are all
that much off the mark. I have also found that the folks at
BondedSender think that I am some sort of anti-advertising zealot for
reporting what is near universally what we would consider to be spam, so
it does go both ways :) So I wanted to throw this topic out for some
feedback and other presentations of one's own definitions and maybe learn
something in the process.
First off, I naturally follow the basic
definition of spam that is widely promoted where spam is both
unsolicited and bulk. What causes such wide derivation from this
common definition however is the sub-definition of what constitutes
unsolicited, and the gray area that exists beyond this definition due to
abuse.
The definition that I use to qualify advertising or
newsletter related ham is as follows:
This definition starts with me treating things as ham if it
comes from a first-party relationship with the sender, however there are
some exceptions as follows:
[.....]
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