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FYI, with all of the offshoring that is going on, don't be surprised to
see E-mail from otherwise American companies coming from servers
(connecting to your server) from places like China and India. For
instance, mssupport.microsoft.com has come to my server from
210.22.110.0/24, and even lacked a reverse DNS entry. This address is
in China: http://www.senderbase.org/search?searchString=210.22.110.0 I do much the same as you do for the Chinese, Korean, Pakistani and Russian IP's except that I only weight then high if they don't have a reverse DNS entry and the IP is not in the MX record or A record of the Mail From domain, and certain customers are excluded from this. It's mostly effective except for the stray support E-mail from Chinese people working for Microsoft at 50 cents per hour. We of course monitor, take reports, and whitelist problematic sources where we can't reasonably fix the issue otherwise. Verizon seems to have been just simply very short sighted, and others like AOL are just simply lazy with their methods (their issue could be fairly easily fixed for most all of their issues with a system of qualifying suspect IP's). I've suggested before that people sue AOL for blacklisting their servers and I actually meant it. It's an unfair burden to us, and they are obviously aware of the problem. Not only that, they advertise heavily how effective their spam blocking is. On the other hand, I'm also very alarmed at how the courts have been so accepting of SLAPP suits brought by spammers against the blacklists. The net outcome is that the spammer always wins regardless of the outcome unless the courts hold them liable for the defense's costs, and those are rarely enough to cover actual expenses and time, nor have I heard of it happening. Matt Don Brown wrote: I think you're reading more into it than is there. Verizon didn't deliver what it promised or, to say it differently, Verizon didn't deliver what their customers had a reasonable expectation of receiving. That's the issue.The allegation, and I think it is probably true, is that Verizon indiscriminately decided to block the IP space of certain countries. We also block the IP space of Korea, China - you know the list, but the difference is that all of our customers know we do it and don't have a problem with it. We only have a couple of customers who want mail from certain of the bad venues and we don't block those venues WRT their mail delivery. As long as your customers buy into what you are doing or at least know up front, there is no issue with blocking countries or doing just about anything else. No damage has been done to anyone. OTOH, when some refugee from McDonalds tech tells the customer that's what we're doing and tough luck, well, that's where the rubber meets the road. A class action makes sense because the individual damages are probably small, but there are a lot of customers who were affected. Yeah, the lawyers will make a lot of money, but if it wasn't for them, all of us Mickey Rooney sized peons wouldn't have a snow ball's chance to make the Jolly Green Giant stop stepping on all our rose bushes. All of our customers want us to do whatever we can to kill the flow of Spam. They know there will be some false positives, but we deal with them on a case by case basis. My $0.02 FWIW. Thanks, Wednesday, May 18, 2005, 1:56:02 PM, Darrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Dsic> This kinda scares me. Could this potentially set a precedence that Dsic> companies can be sued for blocking mail? i.e. You get sued for blocking Dsic> mail. We all block some legitimate mail at some point.. Thats the nature Dsic> of the game. Dsic> Darrell Dsic> ------------------------------------------ Dsic> invURIBL - Intelligent URI filtering plug-in for Declude. Stops 85%+ of Dsic> SPAM with the default configuration. Download it today - Dsic> http://www.invariantsystems.com Dsic> Marc Catuogno writes:That is f-ed up right there... The damned lawyers are gonna get rich and every VZ customer will get a coupon for a free day of service. Marc -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Darrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 2:02 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Verizon Faced With Lawsuits Over Blocking eMail >From Foreign IP Addresses Verizon Communications has been hit with several lawsuits as a result of the company's policy of blocking email from IP addresses in foreign countries in an effort to reduce spam. The complaint asks that Verizon cease blocking email and that it compensate customers for losses on behalf of business customers. A second class action lawsuit was filed on behalf of residential customers. In addition, a New Jersey businessman has filed a lawsuit against Verizon because he says his email has been blocked from getting to his customers. http://www.securitypipeline.com/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=163101524 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ DLAnalyzer - Comprehensive reporting for Declude Junkmail and Virus. Download a copy today - http://www.invariantsystems.com --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". 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