Hi Kevin,

This email is more our/your FYI than much an answer to your question:

We've also noticed this on other tests of Declude that are built in; but not
much on BADHEADERS.  Decludes BADHEADERS test is a good test and accurate in
our opinion; but we have lowered the score on this test as well as
SPAMHEADERS and HELOBOGUS.

We and (myself; now living outside of USA.. Where email bounces thru servers
to USA and then back to me from USA (to another Country) have notice the
ROUTING test will fail on email received to me; when it is received by a
Country I am in; and where I have respond/created an email to that Country.
And that email is legit. I use SMTP to our servers in USA; so this bypasses
our Declude (incoming authorize email).  Also so does the NOPOSTMASTER and
NOABUSE fail here.  Many ISP's (at least in Eastern Europe) do not use these
anymore.  Although, yes an RFC requirement, they have chose to disregard
that rule; and not setup those addresses.  We have disable these tests in
Declude due to a number of "false" positives.  At first we lowered the
weight returned by these tests... Then later removed them completely.

We have learned over the past year, that most of the built-in tests of
Declude are not effective like they were in the past.  Now yes, DNS lookup
tests are good if you use an active source.  Very good.  And in our
experience in just the past year, external tests called by Declude like
SNIFFER and Invariant Systems ... Very, very, effective.  Infact, we have
removed most of our BODY, HEADERS, and SUBJECT filters; infact about 95% of
them.  We also do use a few of Matt's filters for "scam" detection; but have
lowered much these weights as Invariant's URI program and SNIFFER takes the
most "blunt" in punishing the email.  Matt, on this list, is very good.  :-)
(in my opinion).  So is Andy and Darrell.  I have learned a lot about them
just by being silent on the list and observing their feedbacks.

Now, our servers have only received a maximum of 12,356 emails a day (last
peak recorded on 8/4/2005).  I know other ISP's / servers that use Declude
receive more or less then us.)  The above is based on our usage and
feedback.  Each ISP/email server can be different.

-Erik


-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Rogers
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 9:48 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] BADHEADERS and HELOBOGUS coming up a lot


These tests (especially BADHEADERS) seem to be catching a lot of legit 
mail lately.  I've attached one of the headers  It seems like many of 
the emails are sent from Exchange servers.  What exactly makes the 
headers bad?    Any ideas?

Received: from ss_email.ssc.internal [216.201.186.154] by 
Rogersbenefit.com with ESMTP
(SMTPD-8.21) id AA0C60F44; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 10:55:24 -0700
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0
Content-class: urn:content-classes:message
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/mixed;
boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C5A354.6BB3DE4D"
Subject: FW: Erecycler - Request for quote
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 12:52:22 -0500
Message-ID: 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
<http://68.167.205.203:8383/Xa4139bcbc899cb92c89cefa5b204/newmsg.cgi?mbx=bul
k&[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 

X-MS-Has-Attach: yes
X-MS-TNEF-Correlator:
Thread-Topic: Erecycler - Request for quote
Thread-Index: AcWilPivw61uWKcZTbmhEGnyYpc9YgAvrosg
X-Priority: 1
Priority: Urgent
Importance: high
From: "Carrie Mateer"EMAIL PROTECTED"
X-RBL-Warning: BADHEADERS: This E-mail was sent from a broken mail 
client [8400000a].
X-RBL-Warning: HELOBOGUS: Domain ss_email.ssc.internal has no MX or A 
records [0301].
X-Declude-Sender: EMAIL PROTECTED [216.201.186.154]
X-Note: Scanned by Declude JunkMail http://www.declude.com/x-note.htm
X-Spam-Tests-Failed: BADHEADERS, HELOBOGUS, WEIGHT10 [13]
X-Note: Scanned by Declude JunkMail http://www.declude.com/x-note.htm
X-Note: This E-mail was sent from mail2.sleepersewell.com 
([216.201.186.154]).
X-RCPT-TO:EMAIL PROTECTED 
<http://68.167.205.203:8383/Xa4139bcbc899cb92c89cefa5b204/newmsg.cgi?mbx=bul
k&[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 

Status: R
X-UIDL: 417013027
X-IMail-ThreadID: 7a0c0e8c000019d1

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