> In fact, you were the person that lead me to ORF, and that was on > this list:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg16032.html I, *who have no business relationship with Vamsoft*, am proud to have recommended their product. Why is it so hard to get across that a vendor spamming the list, unsolicited, is not the same as a user recommending their preferred product? And why is it so hard to get across that your recommendation of your now-preferred product, which you found out about _because_ it was spamvertised on this list, is different from as a user recommending a product that has not sold out the ethics of the anti-spam community on this very list? > In the same light, Declude also competes with IMail's own offering, > and Declude definitely favors the SmarterMail implementation due to > their much tighter relationship with SmarterTools, yet there is > plenty of discussion on the IMail list of Declude, and such > discussions have never been banned. There have not been unsolicited product announcements from Declude on the IMail list. > Alligate also is the company that publishes the MXRate IP4R test that > was most recently discussed last week, and I am aware that Brian and > Barry are friendly and have talked occasionally over the past couple of > years. Is _that_ the new spin? Hey, lots of people have talked to Barry. Does that mean everyone gets one free billboard? Let me ask you something: does the fact that you, Matt, offer free filters that help the anti-spam community mean that you can promote your outsourced anti-spam service in a brand-new, out-of-context product announcement? If yes, why so, and why haven't you availed yourself of the marketing opportunity? If no, why not? > The Alligate Gateway is competitively priced, and designed > exclusively as an enhancement to products like IMail/SmarterMail > with Declude. I utterly disbelieve that premise, since I know that the same company sells a full version that is a full-on competitor, and since I also know that the gateway is no more targeted for Declude environments than it could be deemed a targeted "enhancement" for any environment that lacks its functionality. I also know that the other product has many, many competitors who do not spam. And if "competitively priced" cancels out spamminess, you'd better tweak your filters! > While there are other such solutions out there, nothing lays a hand > on it's functionality. . . Do you think that's the reason that other vendors haven't spammed the list? Because they just don't have the functionality to back it up? Ah. . . no. Gateway appliances? Carrier-class MTAs? Of course they lay more than a hand on its functionality. They just wouldn't think of stepping in here. > I'm not saying that your opinions are without any merit, but they, > like mine, are just opinions, and I hope that we all continue to > share them. I have no doubt that you will disagree with some of > this, but let's just agree to disagree and spare the list from less > productive discussions. You're trying to shut me down as if this is off-topic, but it's not. I believe that people's acceptance of spamvertising on this list calls into question the supposedly ethical core of fighting unsolicited mail. Some people are willing to overlook business practices that represent what their own company stands against, if the products being spamvertised help them make money. Of course, many of us profit (by software licensing, hourly consulting rate, or hosting fees) from the additional workload spam has placed on IT, but we usually don't put those cards on the table so blatantly. Apparently, I am not yet jaded enough to let this go. I'm sure I will let it go soon enough. --Sandy ------------------------------------ Sanford Whiteman, Chief Technologist Broadleaf Systems, a division of Cypress Integrated Systems, Inc. e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SpamAssassin plugs into Declude! http://www.imprimia.com/products/software/freeutils/SPAMC32/download/release/ Defuse Dictionary Attacks: Turn Exchange or IMail mailboxes into IMail Aliases! http://www.imprimia.com/products/software/freeutils/exchange2aliases/download/release/ http://www.imprimia.com/products/software/freeutils/ldap2aliases/download/release/ --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
