I was using a FROMFILE, subtracting a fairly large amount, and was
getting stuff past it with from the forging domains. Obviously, not the
best way to do it, but it worked well for the past few years.

I've got a two new files using the suggestions from yesterday, one for
GOOD-REVDNS adding a negative value, and one for BAD-REVDNS adding a
good amount of points. Makes for better readability in the headers.

Is there another test that compares the REVDNS and Sender's domain to
check for a match ? Like the SPAMDOMAINS test without having to make a
text file ? Not a killer test, but definitely worth a few points.

Karl Drugge
 
 
 
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Darrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 5:18 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Way to filter bogus FRMOM domains ?

You didnt mention exactly on how you are letting in .gov, .us, .edu?
Are 
you just checking via a fromfile or whitelist?  If so I would shift that
to 
negative weighting on reverse dns. 

REVDNS     -x      endswith .edu 

If you have to let it in - seem like the revdns might be a better fit. 

Darrell
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IS - Systems Eng. (Karl Drugge) writes: 

> I've been trying to filter some SPAM that is using a false FROM
domain.
> Stuff is coming from overseas ( spammachine.spamsite.spammer.pl
> [99.99.99.99] ), but is using a false from domain, such as (
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] ).  
> 
> This stuff would fail, except DECLUDE shows it as coming from a .edu,
> and clears it ( assigns the appropriate negative value, I should say
).
> Now, for reasons I won't go into here, I HAVE to allow all mail from
> .edu domains, as well as .gov, and .us... I can't bounce it, and I
have
> no other way to pre-allow email from some junior college in upper
> southern north Dakota... 
> 
> Any help on this ? 
> 
> Karl Drugge
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> Colbeck, Andrew
> Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 12:33 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Disk pattern 0xDF in files ->
> Microsoft confirms KB920958 bug! 
> 
> And it made its appearance over at the SANS Internet Storm Center
> handler's log: 
> 
> http://isc.sans.org/diary.php?storyid=1711 
> 
> In short, Microsoft has admitted that there is a problem and updated
> their advisory and also provided a hotfix. 
> 
> Andrew. 
> 
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
>> Behalf Of Heimir Eidskrem
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 7:16 AM
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Disk pattern 0xDF in 
>> files -> Microsoft confirms KB920958 bug! 
>> 
>> Andy, 
>> 
>> Not sure if you saw it but this issue was brought up on 
>> Slashdot yesterday, so it got some exposure. 
>> 
>> Heimir 
>> 
>> 
>> Andy Schmidt wrote:
>> >  
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > I finally was able to get a confirmation from Microsoft Support 
>> > yesterday afternoon (case: SRZ060911001854)
>> >
>> > "We are aware the issue you are experiencing. A 
>> corresponding bugcheck 
>> > request is currently open, and the develop team is working 
>> on this issue.
>> > However, the hotfix for this issue is not ready.
>> >
>> > 0xDF is the data pattern that NTFS returns when it has problem to 
>> > decompress the file (eg. the compression fragments are 
>> corrupted and 
>> > can't be decompressed). Based on my research, the actual 
>> raw data on 
>> > the disk is not changed, it shows as 0xDF because the system cannot

>> > decompress the file and display the data correctly. So the 
>> corrupt is not permanent.
>> >
>> > Further more, the issue only occurs on files which containing 
>> > Hexadecimal codes."
>> >
>> > Apparently, Microsoft decided not to warn people about this 
>> problem - 
>> > no comment has been added to KF920958 warning people which system 
>> > configurations will cause data loss (who cares if it's not 
>> permanent 
>> > if you can't use your data for a few months).
>> >
>> > Best Regards
>> > Andy Schmidt
>> >
>> > Phone:  +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business)
>> > Fax:    +1 201 934-9206 
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of

>> > Heimir Eidskrem
>> > Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 03:21 PM
>> > To: [email protected]
>> > Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Disk pattern 0xDF in files -> 
>> > KB920958 may be bad!
>> >
>> > Answers below.
>> >
>> > Andy Schmidt wrote:
>> >   
>> >> Hi Heimir:
>> >>
>> >> I've been running a number of tests, am in contact with a third 
>> >> Microsoft customer and some pattern seems to emerge. I also have a

>> >> "lead" to a questionable Hotfix, but I'm trying to qualify 
>> that first.
>> >>
>> >> Can we first compare your systems to see what's the same 
>> (and may be
>> >> relevant) and what's different:
>> >>
>> >> A) Disks are defined as "dynamic" 
>> >>   
>> >>     
>> > Dynamic
>> >   
>> >> B) Disks are software mirrored using Win2k Disk Administration
>> >>   
>> >>     
>> > no
>> >   
>> >> C) The folders with the "problem" files have the "compression" 
>> >> attribute set!
>> >>   
>> >>     
>> > yes.
>> >   
>> >> D) Did the problem occur at some point after KB920958 was 
>> installed?
>> >>   
>> >>     
>> > yes, I think so.
>> >   
>> >> E) Do the corrupted files have a content of all 0xDF (it looks a 
>> >> little like an uppercase "B", the German special "s", or like the 
>> >> Beta
>> >> character)
>> >>   
>> >>     
>> > Yes
>> >   
>> >> F) Does it appear as if only NEW files are effected?
>> >>   
>> >>     
>> > no, old files as well. BUT I think defrag ran this weekend and that

>> > would have moved some files - if that matters.
>> >   
>> >> G) Does it appear as if only files are effected that are 
>> close to a 
>> >> multiple of 4K?
>> >>   
>> >>     
>> > Yes.
>> >   
>> >> I broke the mirrors on my effected two servers and ran 
>> ChkDsk /F. On 
>> >> one server, ONE disk ChkDsk reported errors (including the 
>> files that 
>> >> I knew were corrupted) - virtually all of them were image 
>> file types.
>> >> I reran the ChkDsk and it did NOT find errors. I then tried the 
>> >> second disk of the mirror and it found no errors at all. I then 
>> >> restablished the mirrors and my client continues to have 
>> problems with new files.
>> >>
>> >> On the second server, I broke the mirror, again, the ChcDsk /F 
>> >> repaired a long list of errors.  I did NOT reestablish the 
>> mirror and 
>> >> did not put that disk back in service.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Please contribute to the thread in the Microsoft newsgroup:
>> >> 
>> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/community/newsgroups/dgbrowser/en-us
>> >> /
>> >> defaul
>> >> 
>> t.mspx?dg=microsoft.public.win2000.file_system&mid=d826afe9-2ab1-4b2f
>> >> -
>> >> ae11-c
>> >> c27702f574a
>> >>
>> >> Best Regards
>> >> Andy Schmidt
>> >>
>> >> Phone:  +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business)
>> >> Fax:    +1 201 934-9206 
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
>> Behalf Of 
>> >> Heimir Eidskrem
>> >> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 12:29 PM
>> >> To: [email protected]
>> >> Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Disk pattern 0xDF in files
>> >>
>> >> Follow up:
>> >> During the day I did run chkdks with no switch to check the hard 
>> >> drive, it reported errors and could not continue. Last night I did

>> >> run chkdsk /f on the partition and it did not find any 
>> errors this time.
>> >>
>> >> i did process a few thumbnails and they worked fine at 
>> 12:30am today. 
>> >> At 8:00am they still worked but now 11:27 they dont.  This was old

>> >> photos that I did reprocess again. A couple of new photos that was

>> >> uploaded yesterday and processed yesterday is still working fine.
>> >>
>> >> I can't make much sense out of this. Not sure what to next.
>> >> I dont think its hardware and I am certain its not our software.
>> >> So that leaves OS. 
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Heimir Eidskrem wrote:
>> >>   
>> >>     
>> >>> we are having the exact problem on one of our servers.
>> >>> We create small thumbnail pictures about 4k in size.
>> >>> They work fine at first but later they are corrupted.
>> >>>
>> >>> Windows 2000 server.
>> >>>
>> >>> I have no clue what it could be at this time.
>> >>> It started around this weekend I think.
>> >>>
>> >>> Please keep me posted if you find something.
>> >>>
>> >>> H.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Andy Schmidt wrote:
>> >>>     
>> >>>       
>> >>>> Hi,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I have two older servers (but not same models or same purchase
>> >>>> years) running Windows 2000 with mirrored disks 
>> (software Raid-1).
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Two days ago a customer noticed that they uploaded files 
>> to their 
>> >>>> FTP space, and initially they see the files on the 
>> browser - but a 
>> >>>> while later the data is corrupted.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I investigated - and oddly enough the problem so far 
>> always seems 
>> >>>> to appear with small thumbnail graphics files that 
>> occupy less than
>> >>>> 4095 bytes.
>> >>>> When I
>> >>>> inspect the files I may see the "correct" data through a 
>> share, but 
>> >>>> if I access the files through some other method, I 
>> always see the 
>> >>>> byte pattern of 0xDF.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I ran a standalone checkdisk a day ago against the first server,

>> >>>> sure enough, it reported and fixed several problems "Windows 
>> >>>> replaced bad clusters in file xxxx". But, the problem 
>> recurred the 
>> >>>> next
>> >>>>         
>> > day.
>> >   
>> >>>> Now, my first instinct was that ONE of the two mirrored 
>> disks was 
>> >>>> truly on its way out and depending on which drive was 
>> being used to 
>> >>>> read the data it would either get good or bad data.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> However, a day later a second customer had the same 
>> complaint but 
>> >>>> on an entirely different machine. In this case, the error occurs

>> >>>> with a set of relatively new SCSI drives (not even a year old).
>> >>>>
>> >>>> So now that I'm looking at two totally different server models, 
>> >>>> from entirely different years, one with fairly new disks 
>> - what are 
>> >>>> the chances that the SAME problem and symptom would show at the 
>> >>>> same time. Both on software mirrored disks, in both cases files 
>> >>>> that are less than 4 MB large.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Now I'm wondering if this is some "software" issue.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Best Regards
>> >>>> Andy Schmidt
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Phone:  +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business)
>> >>>> Fax:    +1 201 934-9206
>> >>>>
>> >>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>> On Behalf Of 
>> >>>> David Barker
>> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 03:53 PM
>> >>>> To: [email protected]
>> >>>> Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Trying to install Declude 3.1.20

>> >>>> anew
>> >>>>
>> >>>> When the decludeproc services start under your windows 
>> services and 
>> >>>> the first email is processed. A file call diags.txt is 
>> created in 
>> >>>> your \Declude directory.
>> >>>> This should contain the version and diagnostics. The 
>> valid options 
>> >>>> on decludeproc from the cmd prompt are:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Decludeproc -v   displays the version and build
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Decludeproc -i   installs the decludeproc service
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Decludeproc -u   uninstalls the decludeproc service
>> >>>>
>> >>>> David B
>> >>>> www.declude.com
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>> On Behalf Of 
>> >>>> Andy Schmidt
>> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 3:43 PM
>> >>>> To: [email protected]
>> >>>> Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Trying to install Declude 3.1.20

>> >>>> anew
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Dave -
>> >>>> That's what I call catch 22:
>> >>>>  
>> >>>> D:\IMail>decludeproc -diag
>> >>>> Invalid command line parameter:
>> >>>> -install     Install Declude
>> >>>> -diag        Print diagnostics
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Hm - so let's see, after "-install", I used "-diag" to 
>> figure out 
>> >>>> what's wrong. But, "-diag" is invalid. The ony valid 
>> parameters are...
>> >>>> "-install"
>> >>>> and "-diag"?
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Best Regards
>> >>>> Andy Schmidt
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Phone:  +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business)
>> >>>> Fax:    +1 201 934-9206
>> >>>>  
>> >>>>
>> >>>> ________________________________
>> >>>>
>> >>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>> On Behalf Of 
>> >>>> Andy Schmidt
>> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 03:09 PM
>> >>>> To: [email protected]
>> >>>> Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Trying to install Declude 3.1.20

>> >>>> anew
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Hi Dave,
>> >>>>  
>> >>>> thanks.
>> >>>>  
>> >>>> Next question:
>> >>>>  
>> >>>> I noticed that your Virus.CFG is missing two options 
>> from Version 2:
>> >>>>  
>> >>>> AUTOFORGE ON
>> >>>>  
>> >>>> BANEZIPEXTS ON
>> >>>>  
>> >>>>  
>> >>>> If I recall correctly, the idea was that:
>> >>>> BANZIPEXTS OFF
>> >>>> # BANEXT  EZIP
>> >>>> BANEZIPEXTS ON
>> >>>>  
>> >>>> would PERMIT banned extensions inside zipped files (where they 
>> >>>> could be scanned), but DENY banned extensions if they were 
>> >>>> contained inside encrypted zipped files.
>> >>>>  
>> >>>> Where those options forgotten in your config file - or 
>> are they no 
>> >>>> longer available in Version 3?
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Best Regards
>> >>>> Andy Schmidt
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Phone:  +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business)
>> >>>> Fax:    +1 201 934-9206
>> >>>>  
>> >>>>
>> >>>> ________________________________
>> >>>>
>> >>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>> On Behalf Of 
>> >>>> David Barker
>> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 02:43 PM
>> >>>> To: [email protected]
>> >>>> Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Trying to install Declude 3.1.20

>> >>>> anew
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> The Program Files\Declude is a temp directory that can 
>> be deleted 
>> >>>> after the install. The original purpose of this directory was to

>> >>>> make available the latest configs as we do not overwrite your 
>> >>>> configs. This has since been removed in version 4.x 
>> where you will 
>> >>>> find a \Declude\Resources directory which has the same purpose.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> David B
>> >>>> www.declude.com
>> >>>>
>> >>>> ________________________________
>> >>>>
>> >>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>> On Behalf Of 
>> >>>> Andy Schmidt
>> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 2:36 PM
>> >>>> To: [email protected]
>> >>>> Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Trying to install Declude 3.1.20
anew
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Hi,
>> >>>>  
>> >>>> I'm trying to set up a server from scratch and thus 
>> downloaded and ran:
>> >>>>  
>> >>>> Declude_IM_N310.exe
>> >>>>  
>> >>>> and chose the option to let it do its install (rather than the 
>> >>>> option for "experienced" admins). PS - that screen has a typo!
>> >>>>  
>> >>>> The setup created a  
>> >>>>     C:\Program Files\Declude
>> >>>> folder that contains just the 5 config files it also created the

>> >>>> SAME files
>> >>>> in:
>> >>>>  
>> >>>>     D:\Imail\Declude
>> >>>>  
>> >>>> together with binaries and the various other Declude files.
>> >>>>  
>> >>>> I'm at loss!  
>> >>>> Which location is the "right" one for the config files (I'm 
>> >>>> assuming the D:\Imail\Declude)?
>> >>>>  
>> >>>> What's the point of creating a "dummy" Folder in the C:\Program 
>> >>>> Files\ that contains no programs and that contains files 
>> that are 
>> >>>> not being used at all (assuming that being the case)?
>> >>>>  
>> >>>> Should I be deleting this Program Files folder to avoid 
>> confusion 
>> >>>> when someone else maintains this server?
>> >>>>  
>> >>>> Come on, the cold war has been over since Reagan - are we still 
>> >>>> trying to confuse the Russians?
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Best Regards
>> >>>> Andy Schmidt
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Phone:  +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business)
>> >>>> Fax:    +1 201 934-9206
>> >>>>  
>> >>>>
>> >>>> ________________________________
>> >>>>
>> >>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt
>> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 03:25 PM
>> >>>> To: [email protected]
>> >>>> Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Experience with 4.x
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Andrew,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Thanks for your notes and their history.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I'm using the following settings right now:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>     THREADS        30
>> >>>>     WAITFORMAIL    500
>> >>>>     WAITFORTHREADS        200
>> >>>>     WAITBETWEENTHREADS    100
>> >>>>     WINSOCKCLEANUP        OFF
>> >>>>     INVITEFIX    ON
>> >>>>     AUTOREVIEW        ON
>> >>>>     
>> >>>>
>> >>>> There are a few reasons for trying these values.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>     THREADS 30 - I'm pretty confident that dual 3.2 Ghz 
>> Xeons and 
>> >>>> RAID can only handle 30 threads with average messages.  
>> In reality, 
>> >>>> one single message can spike the system to 100%, but these are 
>> >>>> uncommon.  I figure that if I open this up too wide and I am 
>> >>>> dealing with a backup or something, launching more 
>> threads when at 
>> >>>> 100% CPU utilization will actually slow the system down. 
>>  This was 
>> >>>> the same with 2.x and before.  There is added overhead 
>> to managing 
>> >>>> threads and you don't want that to happen on top of 100% CPU 
>> >>>> utilization.  I am going to back up my server later 
>> tonight to see 
>> >>>> if I can't find what the magic number is since I don't 
>> want to be 
>> >>>> below that magic number, and it would probably be best to be a 
>> >>>> little above it.
>> >>>>     
>> >>>>     WAITFORMAIL 500 - On my server, this never kicks in, 
>> but if it 
>> >>>> did, it wouldn't make sense to delay for too long 
>> because I could 
>> >>>> build up messages.  A half second seems good.
>> >>>>     
>> >>>>     WAITFORTHREADS 200 - This apparently kicks in only 
>> when I reach 
>> >>>> my thread limit; sort of like a throttle.  I don't want it to be

>> >>>> too long because this should only happen when I am 
>> hammered, but it 
>> >>>> is wise not to keep hammering when you are at 100%.  Sort of a 
>> >>>> mixed bag choice here.
>> >>>>     
>> >>>>     WAITBETWEENTHREADS 100 - I see this setting as being the 
>> >>>> biggest issue with sizing a server.  Setting it at 100 ms means 
>> >>>> that I can only handle 10 messages per second, and this 
>> establishes 
>> >>>> an upper limit for what
>> >>>> the server can do.   I currently average about 5 
>> messages per second 
>> >>>> coming
>> >>>> from my gateways at peak hours, so I figured that to be safe, I 
>> >>>> should double that value.
>> >>>>     
>> >>>>     INVITEFIX ON - I have it on because it comes on by 
>> default and 
>> >>>> I don't know any better.  I know nothing about the cause for 
>> >>>> needing this outside of brief comments.  It seems 
>> strange that my 
>> >>>> Declude setup could ruin an invitation unless I was 
>> using footers.  
>> >>>> If this is only triggered by footer use, I would like to know so

>> >>>> that I could turn it off.  I would imagine that this 
>> causes extra 
>> >>>> load to do the check.
>> >>>>     
>> >>>>     AUTOREVIEW ON - I have this on for the same reason 
>> that Andrew 
>> >>>> pointed out.  When I restart Decludeproc, messages land in my 
>> >>>> review folder, and I don't wish to keep manually fishing things 
>> >>>> out.  If there is an issue with looping, it would be wise for 
>> >>>> Declude to make this only trigger say every 15 minutes 
>> instead of 
>> >>>> more regularly.
>> >>>>     
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Feel free to add to this if you want.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Matt
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Colbeck, Andrew wrote:
>> >>>>     I'd second that... on both the observed behaviour and the 
>> >>>> request for documentation.
>> >>>>          I'm attaching my highly commented declude.cfg as a 
>> >>>> reasonable sample.
>> >>>>          Andrew 8)
>> >>>>          
>> >>>>
>> >>>> ________________________________
>> >>>>
>> >>>>         From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt
>> >>>>         Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 10:36 AM
>> >>>>         To: [email protected]
>> >>>>         Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Experience with 4.x
>> >>>>        
>> >>>>        
>> >>>>         David,
>> >>>>        
>> >>>>         That did the trick.  I can't even see any messages in my

>> >>>> proc folder any more.  I might suggest adding your 
>> explanation to 
>> >>>> the comments in the file just in case others feel the 
>> need to turn 
>> >>>> this on like I did.  I recalled the issues from the list and I 
>> >>>> turned it on because I didn't want the possibility of 
>> DNS crapping 
>> >>>> out and the leakage that this would cause.
>> >>>>        
>> >>>>         Here's a screen cap of what my processor graph looks
like
>> >>>> now:
>> >>>>        
>> >>>>        
>> >>>>        
>> >>>>        
>> >>>>
>> >>>>         Thanks,
>> >>>>        
>> >>>>         Matt
>> >>>>        
>> >>>>        
>> >>>>        
>> >>>>         David Barker wrote:
>> >>>>             The purpose of WINSOCKCLEANUP        ON is to reset
>> >>>> the winsock, what
>> >>>>             happens when using this setting is that when 
>> the \proc 
>> >>>> directory hit 0
>> >>>>             decludeproc will finish processing all the 
>> messages in 
>> >>>> the \work before
>> >>>>             checking the \proc again. As WINSOCKCLEANUP is to be

>> >>>> used only by those who
>> >>>>             experience DNS issues I would suggest running your 
>> >>>> tests again with
>> >>>>             WINSOCKCLEANUP commented out and see how the 
>> behavior 
>> >>>> differs. Also having
>> >>>>             the WAITFORMAIL to low can cause the CPU to process 
>> >>>> very high as it is
>> >>>>             constantly checking the \proc I would 
>> suggest a minimum 
>> >>>> of 500-1000
>> >>>>            
>> >>>>             David B
>> >>>>             www.declude.com
>> >>>>            
>> >>>>             -----Original Message-----
>> >>>>             From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >>>>             [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>> On Behalf 
>> >>>> Of Matt
>> >>>>             Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 8:12 PM
>> >>>>             To: [email protected]
>> >>>>             Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Experience with 4.x
>> >>>>            
>> >>>>             Darrell,
>> >>>>            
>> >>>>             I put up two Windows Explorer windows side-by-side
>> >>>> under normal volume             and the pattern was 
>> consistent where 
>> >>>> the proc folder
>> >>>> grows while the             work folder shrinks until 
>> the work folder 
>> >>>> hits zero
>> >>>> at which point the             proc folder empties out 
>> and everything 
>> >>>> lands in work
>> >>>> and then the             pattern repeats with proc 
>> growing while work
>> >>>> shrinks.
>> >>>>            
>> >>>>             My settings are as follows:
>> >>>>            
>> >>>>             THREADS        50
>> >>>>             WAITFORMAIL    100
>> >>>>             WAITFORTHREADS        10
>> >>>>             WAITBETWEENTHREADS    50
>> >>>>             WINSOCKCLEANUP        ON
>> >>>>             AUTOREVIEW        ON
>> >>>>             INVITEFIX    ON
>> >>>>            
>> >>>>             Matt
>> >>>>            
>> >>>>            
>> >>>>            
>> >>>>            
>> >>>>             Darrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>> >>>>            
>> >>>>              
>> >>>>                     It's a faulty design that leaves
>> >>>> more than half a server's CPU                     
>> capacity unused due 
>> >>>> to the mere fact
>> >>>> that they wait for all threads                     to 
>> complete before 
>> >>>> moving in a new
>> >>>> batch.
>> >>>>                          
>> >>>>                 I can't speak to what you see on your
>> >>>> server, but that is not how it                 is running on my 
>> >>>> server.  I just double
>> >>>> checked again to make sure I                 am not 
>> crazy, but as I 
>> >>>> watch the thread
>> >>>> count on my server                 (decludeproc) the threads 
>> >>>> fluctuate between
>> >>>> 7 - 30 ( threads currently                 set to 50).  
>> It is not 
>> >>>> uncommon to see the
>> >>>> threads move as follow:                 
>> 11,8,10,7,15,....  While I 
>> >>>> was watching it I
>> >>>> never seen a case where                 it went down low 
>> enough for 
>> >>>> the WAITFORMAIL
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>> proc/work directory 
>> >>>> you can see
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>> >>>> what I am seeing is an                 anomaly or maybe I am 
>> >>>> interpreting it wrong.
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>> >>>>                 Maybe David can comment on this.
>> >>>>                
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