Darin, 1. Personal attacks ie. " you're just plain too lazy to make an effort to do anything about it." on this list will not be tolerated I will remove you from the list if you cannot keep to the issue.
2. I have posted how we are looking to resolve this and asked for any helpful feedback, do not forget we had implememnted a fix, but as we have seen it did not solve the problem and we are looking at it again. 3. If this issue cannot be resolved for you when you want it resolved I suggest finding another solution we are not forcing you to use Declude. 4. To start to lecture on how to best run a software development business is again out of the scope of this conversation. My answer is that as of now there is no release date for a fix, as soon as we have determined that we have one I will post this information. David B www.declude.com -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darin Cox Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 9:20 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line David, I'm sorry you feel that way, but I will not apologize for my post. Frankly I've had it with posts from Declude that seem to indicate no interest in solving the problem, as David F-R's post seemed. I've tried to be as nice as I could be through these past two years, but I've had enough of put-offs and lack of progress towards fixing issues over the past two years. Instead of a put-off, how about making some statements about what is or will be done? Refusal to give a date for anything just indicates poor project management practices. Our main business is software development, so I completely understand the issues of meeting dates, but in our business it's not acceptable to not give dates. We must use good project estimation and management skills to assess what needs to be done to perform a task, and balance the triangle of due date, resources, and task requirements to get the task done. That said extenuating circumstances can occur, requiring a due date to be moved. Communicating early and often with customers alleviates any concerns that customers might have with due date changes, but again, not giving a date is simply not acceptable. Giving a reasonable outside estimate, and meeting the date earlier is, however. Darin. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Barker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <declude.junkmail@declude.com> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 9:06 AM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line Darin, I will not commit to a date of having a fix and then not reach that date. I understand your frustration with this issue. The truth is we are currently working on it, I think that your statement of being plain lazy to make an effort is uncalled for. I have posted we are open to suggestions, again if you feel like you need to vent your frustration feel free to call me directly 978-499-2933 xt 7007 David B www.declude.com -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darin Cox Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 8:56 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line Well, David. You've known about the problem for a very long time, and from a customer perspective absolutely nothing has been done. No potential fix release date. Nothing other than we're working on it. From your post to the list, it doesn't even sound like "we're working on it" was true. Pardon my frustration at the continual lack of progress on almost every front, but this post makes it sound like you're just plain too lazy to make an effort to do anything about it. If you need help identify the various scenarios, post samples to the list and we'll help you. There are a lot of bright people on this list who can help you out. Bottom line, figure out what needs to be done, get it done, and we'll stop hounding you on this issue. Darin. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Franco-Rocha [ Declude ]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <declude.junkmail@declude.com> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 8:32 AM Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line Kevin, I am very well aware of what byte sequences constitute the end of a line. However, if the problem were this simple it would have been fixed long ago. Contrary to what some have said here, we have seen many instances where IMail likewise appends its headers to the end of the message. The broken line terminators are not necessarily of the same type in a given message. In addition, they are not necessarily adjacent to each other (with leading whitespace or unprintable characters on a line). What may appear obvious to the eye is often not at all what exists behind the scene. You may look at a message and be certain where the headers end and the body begins (the separating blank line). However, that message may not necessarily contain two consecutive EOL sequences of any type anywhere. David Franco-Rocha ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Bilbee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <declude.junkmail@declude.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 5:45 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude not modifying subject line I do not understand why you need to rewrite the message beyond what you already do? Just determine the end of headers properly then rewrite the message with your headers in the proper location. You already rewrite the message when adding headers so why would it take any longer to properly detect the end of headers. If you have two LF sequences next to each other ignoring the CR then you have the end of headers. For example if you have CRLFCRLF OR LFCRLFCR OR LFLF I have never seen a message use CR alone for an end of line. There are two LF bytes in each sequence ignore the CR bytes. Then when writing out the message with the Declude headers include the original byte sequences for each line. And the Declude lines should have the proper CRLF sequences. My two cents! Kevin Bilbee > > 1. I don't like to keep going in circles on this. If it was as easy as > "just > fix it" there would be no issue. Please understand that this is a lot > more > complex than you may realize, we are considering making the fixing of > line > terminators as an optional feature to be turned on/off because of a > potential performance degradation of rewriting the messages. > --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. 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