Thanks Doug and John
and all the others for your input.
As far as I know, we don't have an Intel NIC at all.
I think we use a Real-Tek NIC for our IMail-Server.
But I will find this out.

Uwe

DC> I was simply replying to a gentlemen's post John.

DC> Read the thread.

DC> HE asked if I found out whether Declude was the CAUSE of the problem or I
DC> switched to another AV product.

>> > Did you (or someone else) find a solution in the meantime, or did 
>> > you
>> just
>> > switch to another AV ?

DC> I said it was NOT Declude.  Hence my post.

DC> He specifically mentioned Peter Verzoni.  I worked on that specific system.
DC> Again my reply.

DC> There was no need for further banter.  He wanted to know if it was resolved.


DC> I agree Imail does not cooperate well with Intel NICs at extreme traffic.
DC> Your answer was GET A SERVER NIC.  That is not the solution.  The solution
DC> is Imail should fix their bug or use a NON intel NIC.  Better yet you must
DC> use 3Com Nics to be sure since that seems to be all Imail tests.  A NIC that
DC> we have found is prone to many other issues and is no longer the market
DC> leader.  Back in 98-99 when Imail started it was and we all used them. No
DC> longer true today as Dell, HP and most white box servers use Intel NICs.

DC> But all that is irrelevant.  The only issue I complained about was you were
DC> rude.  Don't accept it, fine.  But enjoy the world you create with responses
DC> like that.  You must live with it, we must only read your posts.  Deny Deny
DC> Deny .. Be like Bush.......

DC> To everyone else  Again I apologize and promise I stop here no matter what
DC> the response (snappy or otherwise <G>)...  Except Declude related...

DC> Regards


DC> Doug

DC> Doug 

DC> -----Original Message-----
DC> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
DC> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Tolmachoff
DC> (Lists)
DC> Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 6:05 PM
DC> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
DC> Subject: FW: [Declude.Virus] BSOD and IMail-Server reboot

DC> Just realized this was originally posted on the Declude virus list, even
DC> though it has nothing to do with Declude Virus, and the person should have
DC> posted on the Imail list, since it is an Imail issue and a search of the
DC> Imail list archives shows this has been discussed many times.

>> The imail forum has not one post regarding an INTEL SERVER Board and 
>> on board NICs.  I recall some conversations about desktop boards but 
>> none regarding SERVER BOARDs.

DC>  I do not remember whether the board was a Server board or workstation board
DC> being part of the discussion on past problems. It was the Intel OB NIC that
DC> was discussed, and a search of the Imail archives shows 269 hits for "Intel
DC> OB NIC".

>> Furthermore what logic would you as a Networking Professional give to 
>> an SMTP server running on the same platform and pushing sustained 
>> traffic of three times that of the IMAIL server yet never causing any 
>> issues and certainly not creating a BSOD.  This is something I am very 
>> interested in hearing.

DC> I am not an Ipswitch technician, so I have no idea of why this occurs, I
DC> just know from many others posting such that it does!

>> I have been building systems and maintaining data centers now for 16
DC> years.

DC> Goody for you. Now back to the issue at hand.

>> I have brought this exact issue to Intel's and Microsoft's attention 
>> and neither see any reason for the NIC to be the root cause of the issue.
>> 
>> Microsoft has read the BSOD dumps and reports IMAIL as the culprit.

DC> Then take the next step and share that information with Ipswitch. From all
DC> the posts about Intel OB NICs and Imail over the years, it is my opinion
DC> there is a real problem with Imail and Intel OB NICs. To date, most have
DC> fixed the problem by using a server grade 3Com NIC and disabling the Intel
DC> OB NIC. If you have the time and resources to further pursue this issue with
DC> Ipswitch, many Imail admins will thank you.

>> This type of comment from you has little to no value.  You act like 
>> you
DC> are
>> participating in a forum but clearly you are using the forum simply 
>> for
DC> your
>> own end.

DC> Sure it does. Just because you do not like the work around, and would rather
DC> spend time on finding the cause of the problem in hopes that Ipswitch will
DC> finally fix it, does not mean that my advice has no value. 

DC> BTW, how does my posting advice on a subject that comes up again and again
DC> over time equal my using the forum for my own end?

DC> John Tolmachoff
DC> Engineer/Consultant/Owner
DC> eServices For You

>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "John Tolmachoff (Lists)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 3:11 PM
>> Subject: RE: [Declude.Virus] BSOD and IMail-Server reboot
>> 
>> 
>> There has been much discussion concerning Intel OB NICs and Imail.
>> 
>> Search the archives.
>> 
>> Bottom line, get a solid Server designated NIC.
>> 
>> John Tolmachoff
>> Engineer/Consultant/Owner
>> eServices For You
>> 
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > On Behalf Of Douglas Cohn
>> > Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 11:32 AM
>> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > Subject: RE: [Declude.Virus] BSOD and IMail-Server reboot
>> >
>> > This problem has not gone away.  It occurs with very high traffic 
>> > only
>> and
>> > is not related to declude.  That is we tested iot without declude 
>> > and
>> it
>> > still Blue Screens when there is extremely high traffic.
>> >
>> > Imail claims that when the server has extremely high traffic you 
>> > need
>> to
>> use
>> > a SERVER NIC in the machine.  One which does NOT offload processing 
>> > to
>> the
>> > server but has it's own processor onboard the NIC.
>> >
>> > This has some logic but if true why on servers running only SMTP
>> passing
>> > double the amount of sustained traffic do we not also have the issue.
>> >
>> > Using Intel Based SE7501WV2 baseboards with on board nics on 
>> > sevweral servers.  Only Imail servers Blue Screen.  We set them to 
>> > auto reboot
>> and
>> it
>> > only happens in extremely high traffic times.
>> >
>> > DC
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Uwe Degenhardt
>> > Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 5:05 AM
>> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > Subject: [Declude.Virus] BSOD and IMail-Server reboot
>> >
>> > Hi list and especially
>> > Peter Verzoni.
>> >
>> > Peter you mentioned a while ago
>> > the following problems you had on one of your servers:
>> >
>> > http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg06418.html
>> >
>> > Did you (or someone else) find a solution in the meantime, or did 
>> > you
>> just
>> > switch to another AV ?
>> >
>> > Would be great to get the link where you posted the info to F-Prot 
>> > as
>> well.
>> >
>> > Thank you.
>> >
>> > Uwe
>> >
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