I agree too. We use next to none of the RAD side of Delphi and focus almost entirely on OO stuff. I think Delphi is excellent for OO development. It is true that we have had to write a lot of our own stuff (treeview, editor, mapping component, report writer, streaming mechanism, form ancestor) because the libraries available (a.k.a. component collections) are all RAD oriented... er, perhaps Delphi isn't that excellent after all. I don't actually know any more. I've not used C++ much so I don't know what the OO libraries are like (or Java etc). Let me rephrase this: as far as language features and ability goes, I find Delphi to be very useful for OO development. Hope that wasn't too non-commital ;-)
Phil. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Conor Boyd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Multiple recipients of list delphi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 2:04 PM Subject: RE: [DUG]: Delphi 8 ? > I agree 100% with what you're saying about the advantages of good OO etc, > and that a lot of Delphi developers are RAD not OO devs. > > However, I think Richard phrased things badly yesterday, and (I may be > wrong), but he basically said that if one wanted to do OO development, one > wouldn't choose Delphi. I disagree with that sentiment, and I thought he > was overly negative about Delphi as a language. > > There are quite a few people out there doing things like OPFs for Delphi, > which really make it feasible to do good OO stuff in Delphi. > > Just thought the whole presentation could have been better handled - I'm > sure Richard is a fine developer/consultant in his own right... > > Cheers, > > Conor > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andreas Toth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, 5 September 2002 1:53 p.m. > To: Multiple recipients of list delphi > Subject: RE: [DUG]: Delphi 8 ? > > Richard is a real character -- a good one. But he's right about Delphi and > OO. The majority of Delphi developers are RAD not OO developers. There's > quite a difference and he knows it since he's been caught out himself. RAD > may be fast but it's not maintainable like good OO. > > -Andreas > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On > Behalf Of Conor Boyd > Sent: Thursday, 5 September 2002 13:36 > To: Multiple recipients of list delphi > Subject: RE: [DUG]: Delphi 8 ? > > > I agree about feeling a bit insulted. I felt I didn't really learn much > about D7 yesterday, which surprised me. > > I haven't met Richard before, but I felt that he would have lost a lot of > people during yesterday's demo. I felt I only followed what he was doing, > because I'd looked at both Modelmaker & Bold. I've seen Borland sales > support staff in Oz do much better presentations. > > I've heard a lot of people rave (no pun or reference to reporting engines > intended!) about Bold, especially in borland.public.delphi.oodesign > > We'll probably skip D6 & D7 and wait for Delphi.NET > > Cheers, > > Conor > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Martin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > We went from D4 to D6. XP support would be one of the few features we could > use. The .Net stuff seems far too transient to spend time coding for, we > use Crystal reports and do OO already. I think calling all Delphi users non > OO developers was a bit of an insult, VB (6 and below) programmers do GUIs > for databases, delphi is so much more. > > re Bold, it was nice that it automatically handled persistence and data > display for the user but seemed it could be somewhat inflexible. After > John's excellent presentation of D6 I was somewhat disappointed by the > presentation, did we really need to see Linux boot but not do anything with > it? > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > New Zealand Delphi Users group - Delphi List - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Website: http://www.delphi.org.nz > To UnSub, send email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with body of "unsubscribe delphi" > Web Archive at: http://www.mail-archive.com/delphi%40delphi.org.nz/ > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > New Zealand Delphi Users group - Delphi List - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Website: http://www.delphi.org.nz > To UnSub, send email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with body of "unsubscribe delphi" > Web Archive at: http://www.mail-archive.com/delphi%40delphi.org.nz/ > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > New Zealand Delphi Users group - Delphi List - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Website: http://www.delphi.org.nz > To UnSub, send email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with body of "unsubscribe delphi" > Web Archive at: http://www.mail-archive.com/delphi%40delphi.org.nz/ > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- New Zealand Delphi Users group - Delphi List - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website: http://www.delphi.org.nz To UnSub, send email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body of "unsubscribe delphi" Web Archive at: http://www.mail-archive.com/delphi%40delphi.org.nz/
