This is going to satrt to sound like a Monty Python sketch, but ... You got off lightly, In my day we had to make appointments at Vic for punch card desks!
Paul 2009/9/23 Alister Christie <alis...@salespartner.co.nz> > When I did COMP102 & 103 at Victoria Uni they were teaching Think Pascal > on old (even then) Apple Macs. We were issued with 2 720k floppy disks, > one to boot the operating system, the other one for the compiler and our > code. If you were lucky you could get on one of the newer machines (they > were still old) which had 10MB Hard disks. They switched to Java > sometime later and I have no idea what they are teaching now. > > Alister Christie > Computers for People > Ph: 04 471 1849 Fax: 04 471 1266 > http://www.salespartner.co.nz > PO Box 13085 > Johnsonville > Wellington > > > > Jolyon Smith wrote: > > > > FWIW - I think the Academic market is lost to Pascal now. > > > > Academia these days is not as much about learning principles (for > > which Pascal and therefore Delphi is ideally suited) as much as > > preparing drones for the business world, in which case Delphi – much > > as we might wish it weren’t so – simply is not _as_ relevant as C#, > > Java or .NET etc. > > > > BUT – if there were to be an Academic Edition (I think there already > > is), it should not be constrained by the entirely separate and > > different needs of a personal, part-time hobbyist user (and neither > > should a hobbyist edition struggle or contort itself to accommodate > > the needs of a student). > > > > e.g. students should learn about refactorings and model driven > > development, but a hobbyist really doesn’t need these things (sure > > we’d like them for free, but we don’t **need** them – our time > > **isn’t** money). > > > > Plus an Academic license should normally be attached to the seat in > > the institution, not the individual occupying that seat in a given > > semester, so pricing of an Academic license is more likely to be a > > volume deal where the student isn’t actually paying for the license > > (directly – although it will likely be in the course fees to an > > extent) as opposed to pricing of a hobbyist/community edition which > > specifically targets and needs to appeal to the pocket of an > > individual user. > > > > *From:* delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz > > [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz] *On Behalf Of *Kyley Harris > > *Sent:* Tuesday, 22 September 2009 1:33 p.m. > > *To:* NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List > > *Subject:* Re: [DUG] Budget/Turbo editions of Delphi > > > > Gary.. I fully agree that cheap or free access to the language tools > > to students, or any "Learner" is key to building the success of a > > development language.. They will then want to take those skills to any > > company or work driven environment.. I think a full blown free version > > is the best way to go, with a compiler built in limitation on the EXE > > execution time... as you say.. 30 minutes or so.. > > > > This also lets people build demonstration applications that can be > > produced on request to potential employers. > > > > When I first learnt pascal and ansi c, i was 14, and bought a copy of > > Turbo Pascal 4 for about $40 and got all my training material via a > > couple of Advanced Algorithm books, Database Construction books.. > > (meaning make your own DB and indexes.. Lol ) and a bunch of bulletin > > board tutorials.. Without this "Free*" resource.. life as a 14 year > > old would have been impossible > > > > On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Gary T. Benner <g...@benner.co.nz > > <mailto:g...@benner.co.nz>> wrote: > > > > *[Reply]* > > > > HI all, > > > > As a Delphi teacher for some many years I found the Turbos irrelevant, > > as components are a fundamental part of good OO programming, and it > > was impossible to teach Delphi properly without new components being > > able to be created and installed in the IDE. > > > > Personally I'd like to see a $25 fee for Academic Delphi - get's the > > Students into the system - and that the compiler be limited to what > > they could do ... eg. a nag screen at the start of any application not > > started within Delphi, and something like a 30 min time limit for > > application execution. .. etc > > > > Otherwise the Delphi should run as per the real thing. > > > > Students will get cracked versions otherwise, and they can be very > > creative at that. > > > > HTH > > > > Gary > > > > A*t 12:59 on 22/09/2009 you wrote * > > > > >To : delphi@delphi.org.nz <mailto:delphi@delphi.org.nz> > > > > >CC : > > > > >From: John Bird, johnkb...@paradise.net.nz > > <mailto:johnkb...@paradise.net.nz> > > > > >Content Type: text/plain > > > > >Attached: > > > > > > > > > >If Turbo versions of Delphi are not available, it is a great idea to > have > > > > >them as PR to get students getting free versions to learn on. Without > > > > >Embarcadero losing money on commercial sales. > > > > > > > > > >Interested to hear others ideas how such editions could work. > > > > > > > > > >My ideas: > > > > > > > > > >-Preventing installation of components as in the past is simple - but > > some > > > > >large scale commercial programs could still be made, so I think it needs > > > > >more. > > > > > > > > > >-Either disabling printing if included (Rave reports) or all printing > > > > >carries a water mark "Student Edition - not for commercial use". > > > > > > > > > >-All program windows contains some signature eg "Student edition" in the > > > > >title bar > > > > > > > > > >-some smart restrictions on what can be produced.......eg cheap or > > free DB > > > > >licences limit to often only 5 connections. Maybe limit units to 4000 > > > > >lines of code, or forms to 30 components total, and listviews and > > grids to > > > > >200 lines, > > > > > > > > > >-Programs might only run for 1 hour maximum and exit with a reminder > > screen, > > > > >or will not run at all after say 1-2 years. > > > > > > > > > >-Alternatively charge strictly on a usage basis - eg start with $20 free > > > > >credit. Every compile takes 10cents of credit, every debugger run > > takes 20 > > > > >cents off, editing takes off 1 cent per hour. When credit is used up IDE > > > > >stops working, and you have to uninstall and reinstall. (Transaction > > based > > > > >charging like this is a favourite of mine, incorporated into some of my > > > > >programs). > > > > > > > > > >-Expiry date on IDE, have to uninstall and reinstall to get more. > > > > > > > > > >-Student edition could cost say $25 or be free, depending on how > > restricted. > > > > > > > > > >A combination of more than one of these would mean commercial developers > > > > >would still get the real versions, and be not too mean on students. > > > > > > > > > >Choose what is good to limit, and let them otherwise have a fully > > functional > > > > >version - in reality they won't be writing very large programs, so > > that is > > > > >what to limit. > > > > > > > > > >Personally I would favour the combination of > > > > >-Watermarks on printing > > > > >-limits on grid size and number of components on a form > > > > >-programs run for 1 hour maximum. > > > > > > > > > >John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > > > >NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list > > > > >Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz <mailto:delphi@delphi.org.nz> > > > > >Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi > > > > >Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz > > <mailto:delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz> with Subject: unsubscribe > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gary Benner > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > Semantic Limited <http://www.semantic.co.nz> - Online Education, > > e-Commerce, Software Development & Systems Design > > > > 123 Internet Limited <http://www.123.net.nz> - Managed Web Hosting, > > Virtualisation, High Availability Systems & Cluster Technologies > > > > *Mob:* 021 966 992 > > > > *DDI:* +64 7 543 1206 > > > > *Email:* g...@benner.co.nz <mailto:g...@benner.co.nz> > > > > *Skype:* garybenner > > > > > > > > Ref#: 41006 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list > > Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz <mailto:delphi@delphi.org.nz> > > Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi > > Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz > > <mailto:delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz> with Subject: unsubscribe > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Kyley Harris > > Harris Software > > +64-21-671-821 > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list > > Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz > > Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi > > Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: > unsubscribe > _______________________________________________ > NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list > Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz > Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi > Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: > unsubscribe >
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