One possible problem with asking to look at old code is that this would often break confidentiality requirements with a previous employer/client.
I also have to admit that when I read some (*SOME*!) of my old code it gives me the shivers. People can get better over time y'know. :) I think perhaps a better approach might be to ask someone what they *think* of the code they wrote in the past. On 3 July 2014 12:03, Leigh Wanstead <[email protected]> wrote: > To know if he/she is a good developer is very easy. Just read the code > he/she wrote in the past. > > > On 3 July 2014 11:51, Jolyon Smith <[email protected]> wrote: > >> As you say John, the measure of "good" is a complex issue and may even >> vary from project to project according to the needs of those projects. >> Technical proficiency (in any specific area) , mentoring skills or >> knowledge (OO or again, in whatever area) can all be gained as and when >> needed but may or may not be relevant to a particular project. >> >> Ultimately it comes down to a combination of knowledge and approach, and >> the "fit" in these areas that a developer has with the needs of any >> particular project. >> >> In my experience, the best developers are the curious and caring ones. >> By which I don't mean the ones that people raise an eyebrow to/at and who >> get all teary eyed at a soppy movie, but who - when faced with a problem or >> a challenge - seek first to fully understand it before rolling up their >> sleeves and cutting code. And when they do produce code, they care about >> the clarity and structure of it. "Working code" isn't good enough for such >> people, it must also have some aesthetic other quality. >> >> i.m.e more often than not, ugly code turns eventually out to be wrong >> code. I know when I'm on the right track to a solution because it not only >> works, but it makes a sort of obvious sense and has a certain elegance that >> cannot be simply designed in. >> >> >> But, as I say, it's a highly complex area and I don't think there is a >> simple check list of qualities that categorically identify a "good >> developer". >> >> Which is perhaps why it is also difficult to determine the value of one, >> resulting in the tendency to place value on more easily measured qualities, >> such as scarcity, experience (as measured in years), etc etc >> >> >> >> On 3 July 2014 11:20, John Bird <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> OK that begs a further discussion! >>> >>> What in your eyes makes a developer “good” as opposed to thinking they >>> are good – specific qualities please of what the good qualities are. I am >>> wondering if there are many opinions of what a “good” programmer is which >>> might explain why some think they are good whilst others think they are >>> not. What are the more objective measures? >>> >>> I have worked on numerous projects the last few years and seen a lot of >>> different talents. Some that stick out in my experience are: >>> >>> >>> - Technical proficiency – ie knowing already what is likely to be >>> the best technology to use to tackle a new problem >>> - OO depth. Is it innate or learned? How is it best learned? >>> - Ability to mentor and guide others through existing code >>> >>> Curious to hear specifics from you as you have the reputation of a >>> Delphi authority! >>> >>> *From:* Jeremy North <[email protected]> >>> *Sent:* Thursday, July 3, 2014 10:23 AM >>> *To:* NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List >>> <[email protected]> >>> *Subject:* Re: [DUG] Work Wanted in Wellington >>> >>> I know here (Australia) we would happily pay decent salaries if we >>> found Delphi developers that were actually good and didn't just *think* >>> they were good. >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 8:06 AM, Stefan Mueller < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> As a Swiss Delphi Developer living in New Zealand I find that >>>> interesting. >>>> >>>> Switzerland isn’t exactly at the top of my mind when I think about the >>>> “value for bucks” for outsourcing work to – not because you don’t get the >>>> quality, but because salaries there are almost twice what you would have to >>>> pay here. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Kind regards, >>>> >>>> *Stefan Müller*, >>>> R&D Manager >>>> >>>> *ORCL* *Toolbox Ltd.* >>>> Auckland, New Zealand >>>> >>>> >>>> P Please consider the environment before printing this email >>>> >>>> This message is intended for the adresse named above and may contain >>>> privileged or confidential information. >>>> If you are not the intended recipient of this message you must not use, >>>> copy, distribute or disclose it to anyone. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* [email protected] [mailto: >>>> [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Tony Blomfield >>>> *Sent:* Thursday, 3 July 2014 9:29 a.m. >>>> *To:* 'NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List' >>>> *Subject:* Re: [DUG] Work Wanted in Wellington >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Gary. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> If you would like to send the details to me I will have a chat with >>>> them. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Unfortunately we have had such a bad run with Kiwi Developers we moved >>>> our R&D over to Switzerland last year where we get much more cost effective >>>> results. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Anyway, I’d like to assess the person myself to see if they are >>>> suitable. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Kind regards. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Tony Blomfield >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* [email protected] [ >>>> mailto:[email protected] >>>> <[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Gary T. 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