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Or, for that matter Mac OS X?
 
very fast hardware, and excellent free developer tools
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Leigh Wanstead [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday,December,11,2003 11:42 a.m.
To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List
Subject: RE: [DUG] Delphi 8 Bug-Find-A-Thon Response

Hi Phil,
 
Why can't you move to Linux platform, if you really want the performance? I enjoy the freedom of Linux, both for free of lunch and the freedom to modify any kernel source code I want. Kylix 3 with unofficial patch actually running on my latest Linux kernel 2.6 test11 edition in Mandrake 9.2.  The performance of kylix application running on Linux 2.6 is amazing fast. I quite like that preemptive kernel feature and npai for network. The downturn is you have to know C language, but it is not a big issue for me, as I am an experienced C/C++ developer too. If I really want performance, I did program in MMX assembler too.
 
By the way, by using Linux, you don't need to convince your customer to buy an expensive Win2K server license for $2K+, add another MSSQL server license for $8K+, all these money can go to your pocket instead of Microsoft by using Linux with MySQL. I don't think Microsoft will give me huge discount on using their product. I get it for free if I am using Kylix. I guess for small business in NZ, the profit margin for us Delphi/Kylix developer is quite narrow IMHO.
 
Regards
Leigh
 
 
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> So your argument is that .NET doesn't perform as well as compiled code for
> Win32?

In a nutshell. Reading
http://msdn.microsoft.com/visualc/using/understanding/perf/default.aspx?pull=/
library/en-us/dndotnet/html/dotnetperftips.asp

did not make the hype on JIT sound very compelling to me. Sounds awfully
the issue of making DirectX perform - like tinkering with an engine through
the exhaust pipe because the overhead on calls is so high.

> What about the huge amount of research that quite clearly says that certain
> kinds of optimizations done at runtime by smart engines allow p-code
> applications in many ways to be _faster_ than their native code from the
> start equivalents?

Oh yes?. That would explain the performance of the java-only office suite?
Now I am freely admitting to being very skeptical here but I am open to be
convinced. A big shift in game development to .NET platform (clientside)
I would find compelling - but instead I hear a lot of bitching.

> What about the ability to distinguish between server side and client side
> optimizations?

Irrelevant on whole to most apps I would do.

> The current win32 compiler market [for delphi at least] is a one size fits
> all, .net clearly focuses on the ability to dramatically _improve_
> performance, not reduce it!
>
> Surely you don't believe what you just wrote?

Perhaps needing a lot of convincing to believe the hype instead? I would have
thought the .NET was pretty focused on, well, .net - performance and
development speed for net applications maybe. (Aside from MS market issues
anyway). A non-trivial openGL app running faster under .NET than under
win32?

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