Yes, you can include that as work experience. I believe that it shows that you have actually put your learning into practice. When you are competing with people who have NO real experience, even a little bit is enough to make you stand out. It probably also helps to get written "I thought he was the best thing since sliced bread" statements from these employers too. If nothing else, they prove that you can work with other people and turn up in the morning. You are not quite fresh out.
Of course, I don't hire people, but I think that this is how I got my job. Samuel -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of gajo Sent: Friday, June 18 2004 2:03 a.m. To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List Subject: Re: [DUG] Offtopic: How to you begin? > There's a balance required here though. > > IMHO companies who take on inexperienced developers and pay them cheaply > don't see that they will have to start paying them more as they become > more experienced. You can't keep paying somebody a pittance 'cos that's > what you were paying them when you first took them on - they become a > more valuable resource as time goes on. Although I grant you that has > to be laid against the investment that the company has made in training. I am of course willing to work for free for a year or two if that means later I can get a normal job where my sallary would go up as the years go by. What troubles me is that I have spoken with students that study computer science in Slovakia, for example; a 4 year course, and by the 3rd year most of them are employed, either by student organizations, or the best students by real companies. The top of the cream goes to the Czech republic where they get astronomical sums (compared to our standards of living, of course). In Yugoslavia we have none of that, and most companies will employ programmers for a few months to write some database system for them, and then they have no more need for them. Also it mostly goes by the relatives, so there is always some son-in-law who "understands computers" and who is going to get hired, so there's no need for ads or competition So in such an enviroment I have so far written a few accounting applications for small father&son firms, and for a few politicians who needed to throw away their money. Unfortunately I can hardly include that in my resume as experience :( What I understood from a few of the replies here is that there ARE companies that would hire fresh-out students. The trouble is I have not seen ads like that so far. Perhaps I wan't looking hard enough? Gajo _______________________________________________ Delphi mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://ns3.123.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi _______________________________________________ Delphi mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://ns3.123.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi
