Just because software is poorly designed, doesn't mean to say the language is crap. I've seen plenty of poorly written Delphi code, parts of the VCL included, and we all know Delphi is far from crap. osCommerce IS the abomination, not PHP.

Just like in ASP / JSP, embedding HTML is only an option. You don't have to use it. Personally, I generate all my HTML through XSLT. All my code needs to do is create the right XML data structure and the presentation is all in XSLT.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Neven MacEwan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 12:43 PM


Yes it is off topic but you started it!

PHP5's OO is a lot better and you could build a good framework in it
(it is probably your framework which is good not the language)

Some things in PHP5 are great Autoload for class refs etc, I'd not
dismiss PHP.

As you know its not the language which it at fault with HTML dev, its
generally HTML itself but every time I see another golden bullet dev
platform (Ruby on rails for example) I have a sly chuckle

The best bit is that you can make PHP 5 look a lot like Delphi

Neven



Richard Vowles wrote:
Once I got to the retarded method they use for objects I just gave up.
But this is off-topic.

Ever tried to understand what is going on in oscommerce? PHP begs
spaghetti coding - and I can't stand that method of building web pages.
I have my own framework I have worked on for years, it is
mega-productive, extremely clean and very extensible. It is also in Java
which is both good and bad. My role in DevCo will require me to use and
promote both technologies, but I'd like to be able to use it in .NET as
well.

Richard
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-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Alister Christie
Sent: Tuesday, 30 May 2006 11:54 a.m.
To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List
Subject: Re: [DUG] Scripting languages

Having done very little PHP I can't comment too much, however the bit of
cut and paste I have done I found fairly easy to understand and improve
upon.

Do you consider it an abomination because of it's syntax (like say, they
way VB is an abomination)?

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