Mark, My vote isn't a -1 to DeltaSpike, she's just not ready to blossom yet. Maybe another month or two :-)
I will point out an issue which I don't think we've resolved yet per the documentation on incubator.a.o http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#requirements - We have not established whether DS is a suitable name; e.g. https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=project%20%3D%20PODLINGNAMESEARCH has no entry for DeltaSpike. Also we have not forwarded the vote thread to general@i.a.o to let them know we're thinking about it. However, most of my comments are around this section of graduation: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#community - I don't believe we've done this too well. There are only three developers I see on the list that were not on http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/DeltaSpikeProposal - In fact we now have 16 vs the original 21 proposed (technically does that mean we shrank?) Three releases is good. I think I even saw a podling attempt to graduate that only released their parent POM a couple times :-) Since this is procedural, I'm assuming we're following majority, per http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html . I don't believe we need 100% consensus in the matter then, correct? John On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Mark Struberg <strub...@yahoo.de> wrote: > > > Hi John! > > I'm not sure I understand what you mean. > > The DeltaSpike project now runs for 1 year. The list of initial committers > are all the people who contributed to it in one form or the other. Means > code drops, documentation, etc. There are exactly 2 people from the CODI > Team in DeltaSpike. These are Gerhard and me. The rest is from either the > Seam team or from other teams around the whole CDI area. In my opinion the > community works together pretty well. Of course, I would be happy if there > are more commits and contributions from the other folks. There is a pretty > stable set of 5+ regular committers. > > > We also have had 3 releases so far. We just had a bit of a break because I > was very busy in my dayjob and Gerhard was busy too. And we are short > before our 4th release. I'd say this is quite ok. (Even if I'd be happier > if we would improve our release rate). > > > LieGrue, > strub > > >________________________________ > > From: John D. Ament <john.d.am...@gmail.com> > >To: deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org; Mark Struberg < > strub...@yahoo.de> > >Cc: deltaspike <deltaspike-...@incubator.apache.org> > >Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 10:45 PM > >Subject: Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache > Top Level Project > > > > > >Sorry, but -1 > > > > > >In my opinion, there are clearly disconnects between the former CODI team > and the former Seam3 team that are showing to be true blockers to being a > cohesive community. There has been no real merger of the two communities > to form DeltaSpike. DeltaSpike has failed to "release early and often." > > > > > >I believe for this podling to graduate, we need to become a single team > and work on becoming that single team. > > > > > >John > > > > > > > >On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Mark Struberg <strub...@yahoo.de> wrote: > > > >Lords and Ladies. > >> > >>Please find attached the PROPOSAL for graduating DeltaSpike out of the > Incubator and establishing it as TLP. > >> > >>[+1] yea, all fine and I like it > >>[+0] no blocker, but I don't care > >>[-1] nah there's a blocker in there. Abort and re-roll because of > ${reason} > >> > >>The internal VOTE is open for 72h. After that we gonna tally and forward > the VOTE to the IPMC to VOTE about the recommendation. Once this is done, > the board might consider our wish in the upcoming board meeting. > >> > >>LieGrue, > >>strub > >> > >> > >>--------------- > >> > >>Proposed Board Resolution Report > >>X. Establish the Apache DeltaSpike Project > >> > >>WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best > >>interests of the Foundation and consistent with the > >>Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management > >>Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of > >>open-source software related to creating a set > >>of portable CDI (JSR-299) Extensions > >>for distribution at no charge to the public. > >> > >>NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management > >>Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache DeltaSpike Project", > >>be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the > >>Foundation; and be it further > >> > >>RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby is > >>responsible for the creation and maintenance of open-source > >>software related to creating a set of portable CDI Extensions; > >>and be it further > >> > >>RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike" be > >>and hereby is created, the person holding such office to > >>serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair > >>of the Apache DeltaSpike Project, and to have primary responsibility > >>for management of the projects within the scope of > >>responsibility of the Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further > >> > >>RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and > >>hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the > >>Apache DeltaSpike Project: > >> > >>Gerhard Petracek <gpetracek at apache.org> > >>Mark Struberg <struberg at apache.org> > >>Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com> > >>Jason Porter <lightguard.jp at gmail.com> > >>Shane Bryzak <sbryzak at gmail.com> > >>Rudy de Busscher <rdebusscher at apache.org > >>Christian Kaltepoth <christian at kaltepoth.de> > >>Arne Limburg <arne.limburg at openknowledge.de> > >>Charles Moulliard <cmoulliard at gmail.com> > >>Cody Lerum <cody.lerum at gmail.com> > >>Romain Mannu-Buccau <rmannibucau at gmail.com> > >>Matthew Jason Benson <mbenson at apache.org> > >>Jim Jagielski <jim at apache.org> > >>David Blevins <dblevins at apache.org> > >>Ken Finnigan <ken at kenfinnigan.me> > >>John D. Ament <johndament at apache.org> > >> > >>NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Mark Struberg > >>be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike, to > >>serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the > >>Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until > >>death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification, > >>or until a successor is appointed; and be it further > >> > >>RESOLVED, that the initial Apache DeltaSpike PMC be and hereby is > >>tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to > >>encourage open development and increased participation in the > >>Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further > >> > >>RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby > >>is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache > >>Incubator DeltaSpike podling; and be it further > >> > >>RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache > >>Incubator DeltaSpike podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator > >>Project are hereafter discharged. > >> > >> > >> > >> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DeltaSpike/Graduation+Proposal > >> > > > > > > >
