Hi Dennis!

The only thing which would be change is that we can drop the -incubator from 
the version. 
But that's it basically. Being a TLP is not the end of the project - it's 
rather the beginning ;)
0.4 will come, the one way or the other.

LieGrue,
strub




----- Original Message -----
> From: titou10 <titou10.tito...@gmail.com>
> To: deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org
> Cc: 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 12:00 AM
> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top 
> Level Project
> 
> I like a lot Mark's proposal to come back to the initial plan
> 
> "v0.4 basic JSF support and basic JPA support, 0.5 even more JSF support 
> and JPA support."
> 
> My vote:
> -1 for TLP before v0.4
> +1 for TLP after we reach the basic JSF support
> or
> +1 after "basic JSF and JPA" support is clearly 
> "architected".
> 
> At least IMHO DS should not be promoted to a TLP before v0.4 because we need 
> the 
> basic things and the fondation of the JSF module architected/done before that
> 
> Now the question is: what do we need to have "basic JSF and basic JPA 
> support"?
> - do we have a clear idea of what scopes/tasks/components will be included in 
> v0.4 JSF/JPA module? if not wo decide of this?
> - what scope/tasks/compoenents are being developped? finished? need to get 
> some 
> work? do we have JIRAs for them? if so, do assignees have resources to work 
> on 
> them?
> - are there some "fundation" tasks that has to be done/enhanced to 
> achieve the v0.4 goal?
> With this sorted out, it would be easier to split the work IMHO and reach a 
> "basic JSF support"
> 
> Thx
> 
> Denis
> 
> Le 2013-03-25 18:38, Alexis Krier a écrit :
> 
>>  Hello, Romain Manni Bucau came thursday to talk about CDI, Tomee, 
> Deltaspike etc.
>>  With what I've seen from Deltaspike, I can say this is an awsome idea. 
> This could lead to a very powerfull CDI in the futur.
>>  1 year project is so short! Team has to stabilize.
>>  Being promoted out of the incubator would probably give to Deltaspike the 
> visbility needed to accomplish all this stuff!
>> 
>>  +1 ;)
>> 
>> 
>>  Le 25/03/2013 22:57, Mark Struberg a écrit :
>>> 
>>>  Hi John!
>>> 
>>>  I'm not sure I understand what you mean.
>>> 
>>>  The DeltaSpike project now runs for 1 year. The list of initial 
> committers are all the people who contributed to it in one form 
>>>  or the other. Means code drops, documentation, etc. There are exactly 2 
> people from the CODI Team in DeltaSpike. These are 
>>>  Gerhard and me. The rest is from either the Seam team or from other 
> teams around the whole CDI area. In my opinion the community 
>>>  works together pretty well. Of course, I would be happy if there are 
> more commits and contributions from the other folks. There 
>>>  is a pretty stable set of 5+ regular committers.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  We also have had 3 releases so far. We just had a bit of a break 
> because I was very busy in my dayjob and Gerhard was busy too. 
>>>  And we are short before our 4th release. I'd say this is quite ok. 
> (Even if I'd be happier if we would improve our release rate).
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  LieGrue,
>>>  strub
>>> 
>>>>  ________________________________
>>>>  From: John D. Ament <john.d.am...@gmail.com>
>>>>  To: deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org; Mark Struberg 
> <strub...@yahoo.de>
>>>>  Cc: deltaspike <deltaspike-...@incubator.apache.org>
>>>>  Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 10:45 PM
>>>>  Subject: Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an 
> Apache Top Level Project
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>  Sorry, but -1
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>  In my opinion, there are clearly disconnects between the former 
> CODI team and the former Seam3 team that are showing to be true 
>>>>  blockers to being a cohesive community.  There has been no real 
> merger of the two communities to form DeltaSpike.  DeltaSpike 
>>>>  has failed to "release early and often."
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>  I believe for this podling to graduate, we need to become a single 
> team and work on becoming that single team.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>  John
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>  On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Mark Struberg 
> <strub...@yahoo.de> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>  Lords and Ladies.
>>>>>  Please find attached the PROPOSAL for graduating DeltaSpike out 
> of the Incubator and establishing it as TLP.
>>>>> 
>>>>>  [+1] yea, all fine and I like it
>>>>>  [+0] no blocker, but I don't care
>>>>>  [-1] nah there's a blocker in there. Abort and re-roll 
> because of ${reason}
>>>>> 
>>>>>  The internal VOTE is open for 72h. After that we gonna tally 
> and forward the VOTE to the IPMC to VOTE about the recommendation. 
>>>>>  Once this is done, the board might consider our wish in the 
> upcoming board meeting.
>>>>> 
>>>>>  LieGrue,
>>>>>  strub
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>  ---------------
>>>>> 
>>>>>  Proposed Board Resolution Report
>>>>>  X. Establish the Apache DeltaSpike Project
>>>>> 
>>>>>  WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
>>>>>  interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
>>>>>  Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
>>>>>  Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
>>>>>  open-source software related to creating a set
>>>>>  of portable CDI (JSR-299) Extensions
>>>>>  for distribution at no charge to the public.
>>>>> 
>>>>>  NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
>>>>>  Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache DeltaSpike 
> Project",
>>>>>  be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
>>>>>  Foundation; and be it further
>>>>> 
>>>>>  RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby is
>>>>>  responsible for the creation and maintenance of open-source
>>>>>  software related to creating a set of portable CDI Extensions;
>>>>>  and be it further
>>>>> 
>>>>>  RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache 
> DeltaSpike" be
>>>>>  and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
>>>>>  serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair
>>>>>  of the Apache DeltaSpike Project, and to have primary 
> responsibility
>>>>>  for management of the projects within the scope of
>>>>>  responsibility of the Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it 
> further
>>>>> 
>>>>>  RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
>>>>>  hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
>>>>>  Apache DeltaSpike Project:
>>>>> 
>>>>>  Gerhard Petracek <gpetracek at apache.org>
>>>>>  Mark Struberg <struberg at apache.org>
>>>>>  Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com>
>>>>>  Jason Porter <lightguard.jp at gmail.com>
>>>>>  Shane Bryzak <sbryzak at gmail.com>
>>>>>  Rudy de Busscher <rdebusscher at apache.org
>>>>>  Christian Kaltepoth <christian at kaltepoth.de>
>>>>>  Arne Limburg <arne.limburg at openknowledge.de>
>>>>>  Charles Moulliard <cmoulliard at gmail.com>
>>>>>  Cody Lerum <cody.lerum at gmail.com>
>>>>>  Romain Mannu-Buccau <rmannibucau at gmail.com>
>>>>>  Matthew Jason Benson <mbenson at apache.org>
>>>>>  Jim Jagielski <jim at apache.org>
>>>>>  David Blevins <dblevins at apache.org>
>>>>>  Ken Finnigan <ken at kenfinnigan.me>
>>>>>  John D. Ament <johndament at apache.org>
>>>>> 
>>>>>  NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Mark Struberg
>>>>>  be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache 
> DeltaSpike, to
>>>>>  serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the
>>>>>  Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until
>>>>>  death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification,
>>>>>  or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
>>>>> 
>>>>>  RESOLVED, that the initial Apache DeltaSpike PMC be and hereby 
> is
>>>>>  tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to
>>>>>  encourage open development and increased participation in the
>>>>>  Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
>>>>> 
>>>>>  RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby
>>>>>  is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache
>>>>>  Incubator DeltaSpike podling; and be it further
>>>>> 
>>>>>  RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
>>>>>  Incubator DeltaSpike podling encumbered upon the Apache 
> Incubator
>>>>>  Project are hereafter discharged.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DeltaSpike/Graduation+Proposal
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>> 
>

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