On Wed, 1 Sep 2004, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote:
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Daniel John Debrunner wrote:
Ken, obviously as you know I'm new to Apache voting and so I'm not really understanding your post.
The first question is are you starting a new vote or trying to add an item to the vote I started?
neither, actually. :-) as podling mentor, i'm providing advice based on my experience. the db project has a documented and designed disparity between the pmc and the committer list. during incubation, podlings emulate pmc operation and become familiar with it via a 'ppmc' list. i am suggesting that the derby podling adopt a policy that all committers are automatically on the ppmc.
i bring this up because i think the db project pages could be viewed as recommending that the members of the ppmc be a subset of the committer list.
The second is, are you voting on your issue only, or voting for the issue I started the vote on? The URL after your vote is confusing me as I would guess the appropriate URL for "my" vote would be http://db.apache.org/guidelines.html.
i am not voting; i am a mentor only, and a committer only by courtesy during incubation. if/when derby graduates, i expect i will no longer be a committer, which is appropriate since i don't know java and certainly not a db in java. the podling needs to be self-defining; it's part of my function to help that happen. i *don't* think it's part of my job to try to steer it by voting.
the point i raise may not be considered directly relevant to the issue being voted, but i mention it because it's related. i don't think emulating *all* of the db project procedures is necessarily appropriate during incubation, since subsetting for the ppmc could be a barrier to community building.
Agreed. For the record, the committee-info file lists 11 members of the DB-PMC. The bylaw page is outdated. I've started a thread on [EMAIL PROTECTED] to correct that.
Sorry if these are dumb questions.
no dumb questions. ignorance is curable. i only hope i have some appropriate medicine. :-) - -- #ken P-)}
Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini http://Ken.Coar.Org/ Author, developer, opinionist http://Apache-Server.Com/
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