Daniel John Debrunner wrote:
... All but one of the images did not include the tagline with the
trademark, so there is nothing stopping us getting some image up on the
site.

I disagree. Here is an example of what it would look like to just get the hat up on the web site:

http://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12321509/web-preview-21dec05-6.png

This particular snapshot of the home page is fine because "Derby" is prominent at the top of that page. But view it in the context of some other page, such as the FAQ, which uses a forrest source format that doesn't include specifying a prominent page title:

http://db.apache.org/derby/faq.html

Without Derby somewhere in the masthead, how will visitors know what site they are on? Yes, they can start reading FAQs to determine that, but I think "Derby" should be instantly visible in the masthead.

So that gets back to the original problem of adding "Apache Derby" to the logo, and the issues you and Craig raised that the look of the text is part of the logo:

http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/db-derby-user/200512.mbox/[EMAIL 
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http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/db-derby-user/200512.mbox/[EMAIL 
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 -jean

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