I use Hibernate on top of Derby and the startup time for Hibernate is much 
longer than the startup time for Derby - even for brand new databases that are 
created from scratch with each running of a unit test.

Donald

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From: David Van Couvering <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> I am here at OSCON and a user of Derby was complaining rather 
> energetically to me at the cost of startup time for Derby.  He said this 
> is a real problem for running unit tests, as this is compounded by 
> running multiple tests, each one starting up a new database.
> 
> I was wondering if other users out there have a similar complaint and if 
> you can give a sense of how important this is.  If you can describe your 
> specific usage pattern that would be very helpful.

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