I can see a problem on this discussion: a sans serif "i" should not have, ehr, serifs... I mean, the i on a sans serif font should NOT have horizontal lines, and because of that it cannot be combined with the f. A sans serif ligature between two f is Ok but it is wrong between an f and an i: the only point to consider here is to proper align the f's top curve with the dot. But f and i on a sans serif font must be physically separated. Only on serif fonts it is ok to link the f and the i (and to make the f "grab" the dot from the i), but not on sans serif or grotesque fonts. Just my 2¢ Cheers Ricardo
2011/2/26 Bernhard Dippold <[email protected]>: > Hi Joey, Christoph, all, > > Christoph, I'll reply to your mail later (I don't think we're far away from > each other), here just a short remark to Joey... > > Johannes Bausch schrieb: >> >> Hey, >> >> 2011/2/25 Bernhard Dippold<[email protected]> >> >>> sorry, but I might misinterpret your mail, because I don't remember whom >>> you are citing (and you don't mention the author): >>> >> Sorry for that. For me the whole discussion is a single thread in gmail. >> I'll remember to add the names in the future when necessary. I was quoting >> Martin. > > Thanks. > > At home my mail client shows the mails threaded, so it is not a problem to > go back to the mail you cite. At work the webmail sorts all the mails by > date - nearly no chance to find the original posting... >> >> I have done two alternative ligatures, maybe they are better suited for >> the >> font, since they're not so obtrusive. You can see them here: >> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Joey#Alternative_Ligatures >> > I like them more, as they keep the general impression of a sans font. > > I might be wrong, but to my understanding ligatures are typographic elements > to improve readability and visual balance of words - similar to kerning. > > They are needed in cases, where the visually balanced distance between > characters would lead to a too narrow space between parts of the characters. > > Based on this thoughts, the distance between the cross line in "f" and the > "i" is too narrow, when the distance has to be reduced for a visual balance. > Therefore the cross is extended to the "i". > > For the dot it's similar: At the adjusted character position the distance to > the "f" bow is too small and the direction of the bow aims towards an > eccentric position inside the dot. This looks imbalanced. > > Among your proposals I prefer Alternative 2 because the "f" should have the > same height in my understanding. > > But I don't know why you raised the position of the dot. The logo doesn't > contain another "i" in the regular area (the bold "i" in "Libre" is too > different to be taken as reference). In comparison to such an "i" it would > be necessary to extend the space between the bar and the dot a bit, because > the "f" bow adds visual weight to the upper part of the "i". As we don't > have a second regular "i" we don't need to move the dot in any direction. > > As you showed in your proposals the visual impression is improved, when the > "f" bow is oriented towards the middle of the "i" dot. > > I think the same applies to the first "f": It's bow should be related to the > following "f". > > I made a quick sketch to show you what I mean: > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Logo_ligature.png > > Keeping the position of the "i" dot, but adjusted the "f" bows to harmonize > with the inclusion of the "i" in the visual element. > > I don't like it, because the first "f" bow should aim towards a slightly > higher position on the second "f" and the bows are not constant in their > bending. But I hope you'll understand what I mean. > > After the optimization the logo should differ so little, that people will > not see the difference, but realize that it looks better. > > Best regards > > Bernhard > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to [email protected] > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ > *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** > > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to [email protected] List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
