Am 23.05.2011 22:42, schrieb jlopez777: > On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 4:01 AM, Sveinn í Felli <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Þann mán 23.maí 2011 02:49, skrifaði jlopez777: >> >> Hello all, >>> >>> Is it the general consensus that ribbons are not needed or not a priority? >>> Or background colors for writer and impress (both slide background and >>> slide >>> overview section background which is white). Just wondering how this could >>> progress...if not the other things I mentioned earlier, then at least the >>> ribbons. Thank you. >>> >>> JL >>> >>> >> From lurking on diverse mailing-lists I've understood that 'ribbons (TM)' >> are not the main target - actually some of LO/OOo users are >> ribbon-transfuges that didn't really appreciate this unilateral design >> desicion (and who may care a lot about their screen-real-estate). >> > I guess 2 questions should be asked here. > > 1. Who are the target audience for LO? > 2. What do they want (proven with verifiable data)? > > If we are trying to expand our user base (which I would assume we would) > then my hypothesis would be to adapt to those users. Why should this be the goal? I think a good product is more important than "world domination". Especially companies value productivity. If the productivity of LibreOffice is higher without ribbons why shouldn't they choose LO over M$-Office.
> Another assumption is > that these new users like ribbons more since that is what they are being > introduced to (especially next generation of office software users). Ok so LibreOffice should orient its development on the PR-strategists of Microsoft? I don't think so. Just because some users are mislead by an unproductive GUI it doesn't mean that these users are happy and that it is the right gui-strategy. LibreOffice should do what is most reasonable and not what is most marketable! > The > challenge would be how do we working towards new users who might prefer > Ribbon, or ribbon like style, without losing those who do not, which I > assume are more of well informed and knowledgeable computer user and more > concerned about functionality than design/eye candy which I see you address > below. Who says that ribbons are going to be the industry-standard in the future? I hope LO doesn't just clone strategies of companies without questioning and rethinking everything. >> Meanwhile I've seen talks on LibreOffice lists about having an interactive >> properties-panel, preferably a vertical sidebar one. >> The two could be IMHO basicly the same thing, one a lateral panel, and the >> other a sort of toolbar on steroids. >> >> If implemented in a true FOSS-way, the properties-panel would be >> customisable, dockable and placeable where ever you like - including in a >> ribbonesque position. >> > I like this since it can get the best of both worlds (not perfectly the best > of both worlds) but giving a good balance between utility and design. Hm I don't see that a ribbon-GUI looks nicer than a non-ribbon-GUI in general. There are also other possibilities to make the program look nicer. > Its > not that I don't agree with the idea "the less clicks the better", its just > I believe that if Ribbons aren't the way to go, we still could do a better > job in design layout. > Right. >> Just thoughts, >> >> Sveinn í Felli >> >> Best regards Christopher >> -- >> Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to [email protected] >> Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ >> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be >> deleted >> > > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to [email protected] Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
