On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 12:29 AM, planas <[email protected]> wrote: > Hillar > > On Tue, 2011-05-24 at 22:51 +0300, Hillar Liiv wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > Some mockups: > > http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/msg01239.html > > > > MS Office 2008: > > http://img.skitch.com/20071014-b85qcwy28rw32d69qjpy8yhtyx.jpg > > > > Ans so on... > > > > And people if you are bashing ribbon then please tell us how much > experience > > you have with it (saw pictures, used it, used it one month and ...). > > > > Hillar > > > > > > > > 2011/5/24 jlopez777 <[email protected]> > > > > > On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 2:34 PM, Zaphod Feeblejocks < > [email protected] > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > On 23 May 2011 at 9:57, Christopher Stark wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > as I mentioned earlier, the main argument against ribbons is that > in M$ > > > > > Office the user has to click on ribbons/tabs all the time and never > > > > > knows if the required functions hide behind "Review", "Insert" or > > > > > "Design"... > > > > > > > > My annoyance with ribbons is: > > > > - In MSO 2003 / LibO, I can easily see the things I expect to be in > the > > > top > > > > toolbar - font information and so on. > > > > If I perform certain other functions (e.g. tables), another floating > > > > toolbar appears. > > > > > > > > - In MSO 2007/10, going into tables causes a big menu all about > tables to > > > > obscure the things I want to see on > > > > the menu, with a lot of options I am not one bit interested in. > Also, > > > the > > > > buttons are SO inconsistent - different > > > > sizes, some have text and some do not, etc. > > > > > > > > In fact, the Ribbon reminds me of 'modern art'. It's a piece of junk > and > > > > if anyone else designed it, > > > > commentators would call it junk. But because Microsoft say it is > 'good', > > > > lots of people who should know better > > > > agree with them. > > > > > > > > The MSO ribbon is crap. While I love Open Source and LibO, I would > > > either > > > > stay on LibO 3.3 forever, or go to > > > > WordPerfect if LibO mimicked that horrible interface. > > > > > > > > > > > > > All this makes working with the current solution in my opinion much > > > more > > > > efficient than with ribbons > > > > > > > > Absolutely. If I wanted stupid ribbons cluttering the place, I would > be > > > > using MSO. I'm not using it because the > > > > interface stinks. OTOH, if someone developed an implementation of > > > ribbons > > > > that was so good, and showed > > > > that the idea is fine and that MS have simply done a bad job of > > > developing > > > > it, that would be another matter. > > > > > > > > In another email, Sveinn í Felli suggests an optional vertical > toolbar - > > > > possibly a far more sensible option, > > > > especially as so many people have wide screens nowadays. > > > > > > > > > > What would be the best way to look into this? Getting some mock ups? > Even > > > if it becomes an "extension" of some sort not default. I would really > like > > > to explore this idea. Any help or direction would be appreciated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ZF. > > > > -- > > > > Zaphod > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to [email protected] > > > > Posting guidelines + more: > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > > > > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ > > > > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot > be > > > > deleted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Joed Lopez > > > > > > -- > > > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to [email protected] > > > Posting guidelines + more: > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > > > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ > > > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > > > deleted > > > > > > > I have to use MS Office at work with ribbons, about 1 1/2 years. I think > they are attempt at making more options readily accessible to more > users. The problem is not all the options are accessible using the > default ribbon, you have to customize the top menu bar. If there is a > way to combine the idea behind the ribbon, eacy access for most options > and make other options available "on demand" we will probably have a > winner. > > My other specific criticism is the some of the ribbon combinations seem > awkward to me, they do not seem to fit together. I have noticed this in > Excel mostly but some in Word. I am one to try a new ideas for the > interface and try have specific observations than complain about it > because it is different. >
I agree, everyone is entitled to their own opinion but I rather keep the conversation going toward exploring alternatives and getting some type of advancement of ideas. Thanks Jay. > -- > Jay Lozier > [email protected] > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to [email protected] > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > -- Joed Lopez -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to [email protected] Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
