Hey,

You all are thinking a lot about using clearlook theme , because it is on
several distro. But reality is that clearlook is a GTK 2 gnome theme, not
ported ( maybe I'm wrong to GTK 3 ) and almost every distro will switch to
gnome 3 sooner or letter. Even ubuntu 11.10 will use gnome 3 with unity. So
thinking of clearlook why not, but not because it's used with gnome.

Kévin
Le 28 juin 2011 00:38, "Bernhard Dippold" <[email protected]> a
écrit :
> Hi David, Jay, all,
>
> planas schrieb:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> On Sun, 2011-06-26 at 23:43 +0300, David Nelson wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 8:38 AM, Jean Hollis
>>> Weber<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> [...]
>>>>
>>>> To me having the user guide screenshots in gray DOES have
>>>> advantages FOR THE USERS: they are less likely to be distracted
>>>> by the difference between whatever colours they see on their
>>>> screen and the gray in the screenshots; and the gray looks less
>>>> "foreign" to Mac users.
>>>
>>> I agree with what Jean says. Gray is a practical choice.
>
> I personally think that a consistent color for window titles and
> highlights would not really distract people - but if we really want to
> know this exactly we would have to start a user survey on this topic.
>
> Having "our" green more present in the user's eye is a marketing topic -
> and of course it is less important than good readability in the
> documentation.
>
> But if we can achieve both without real drawbacks, I'd go for it.
>>>
>>> But, also, after having reflected on this subject since past
>>> discussions on the documentation ML, I'm no longer totally
>>> convinced of the need to have total uniformity in screenshots, nor
>>> even of the need to have them all done under Linux rather than
>>> Windows. Providing that a little common sense is used, having some
>>> variety only emphasizes that LibreOffice runs on a large variety of
>>> platforms and under a wide variety of GUIs.
>>
>> +1
>
> Common sense doesn't help against Microsoft's restrictions. So I don't
> want to promote Windows screenshots on our website and in our
> documentation. If a court would tell us, that the Microsoft website is
> illegal in claiming their rights on windows decoration and prohibiting
> partial screenshots, I wouldn't mind anymore.
>
> But until then (or until we have enough money to spend a certain amount
> on a lawyer investigating this topic) I'd stay with non-Windows
screenshots.
>
> Variety is good, if we want to show the different platforms LibreOffice
> is able to run. But for documentation (except for platform specific
> topics) a consistent look-and-feel is as important as in marketing.
>
> If we want to be considered professional, we have to play in their league.
>
> Of course it might be possible to create one document with one set of
> screenshots and another with a different one. But as they should be
> consistent inside one document and they should be able to created by
> different people a clear and easy to follow description is all you need
> to create screenshots with similar look-and-feel on different distros
> and platforms.
>
> And if we want to improve branding by our screenshots too, people should
> know about the recommended color of window title bars. Extending this
> description by the theme and the font we'd like them to use is not a
> huge topic and helps new contributors to create good screenshots.
>
> Where should they know about the best resolution for different purposes
> if not from this description?
>
> Where to put the info about cutting off all the desktop background and
> providing just the single relevant window?
>
> All this can be subsumed in a short description or specification people
> can be pointed to when they tell us they want to create screenshots.
>
> And finally they want to know exactly what should their screenshot show.
> This needs to be covered by an additional explanation at the mailing
> list or in a table of needed screenshots on the wiki too.
>
> From all my personal experience new contributors like very much to get a
> hand on how to provide their first contribution. A wiki page containing
> all the necessary information would serve them best in my eyes.
>
> And from this first contact with the wiki and our lists they are much
> more likely to stay within the active part of the community than being
> told to do some screenshots on their standard OS and left alone with the
> additional questions.
>
>>> In reality, it's important for us not to raise the entry barriers
>>> to contribution too high,
>
> Right - but a wiki page explaining the best parameters for LibO
> screenshots is not a barrier, but a help in my eyes.
>
>>> because I notice that most people only contribute for a short
>>> period of time and then tend to fall away.
>
>
> In the most cases this has nothing to do with high entry barriers, but
> with lack of personal approach to them, not telling them where they find
> the best area to contribute with their skills and especially no reaction
> (or negative reaction) on the work they present.
>
> There are lot of areas that would love to see regular contributions, but
> leading newcomers towards manageable work with visible positive impact
> on the community or the product is something that needs time and
> dedication.
>
> The developers provide such a guidance by patch review and approval -
> based on their "easy hacks" with manageable pieces of work.They have
> quite high entry barriers (get LibreOffice to compile on their machine),
> but with personal guidance this works quite well.
>
>>> The number of regular work contributors (as opposed to mailing
>>> list contributors) is quite low.
>
> But this is not because of the high entry level of reading a short
> description on the wiki - it's the positive feedback and the personal
> contact that leads to further contribution.
>>>
>>> We already use standardized chapter templates, and Jean and others
>>> have done great work on the documentation team contributor's guide
>>> (an on-going work). Do we really have to get too fussy about
>>> standardized themes used for taking screenshots?
>
> Providing a consistent description about three or four theme parameters
> doesn't seem to me very fuzzy.
>
>>> As we've already
>>> read in this thread, it can develop into quite a complicated issue,
>>> and I'd suggest we really have other more-urgent issues to deal
>>> with...
>
> It wouldn't become complicated, if described in an easy way. And the
> benefits of a consistent look-and-feel of LibreOffice in our materials
> is much higher - at least in my eyes.
>>>
>>> Just my own 2 cents...
>>>
>>> David Nelson
>>>
>>
>> Actually I think some the Linux distros might enjoy unintentional
>> free publicity from a screenshot. Depending on each contributer's set
>> up there could be some hopefully only differences.
>>
> There are tiny differences between different distros (position of window
> closing symbol at the right or left upper corner), but the most visible
> difference are colors and the themes used.
>
> Please have a look at Sigrid's first upload of screenshots [1]: The
> Clearlooks theme is available at several GNOME distros (most times as
> standard theme), on KDE (as Cleanlooks) and should be available on
> Windows too, where it might become an option for Windows users to create
> free screenshots.
>
> With a description I mentioned above all these people can create the
> screenshots on their different distros that would be consistent among
> each other.
>
> I don't think that the tiny differences would help to promote the
> different Linux distros in a significant way ...
>
> Best regards
>
> Bernhard
>
> [1]: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/DE/Doku/Screenshots
>
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