Just answered the poll. I am 4 hours behind GMT (EDT) so I tried to pick the best times that were available. I am taking a look at the whiteboards right now. I am also working on a mockup for a tabbed interface.
~ Maggie On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 3:46 PM, Mirek M. <[email protected]> wrote: > 2012/3/19 Stefan Knorr (Astron) <[email protected]> > > > Hi Mirek, > > > > > I've had a conversation with Alexander Wilms on IRC today and we've > > decided > > > that it would be productive if the whole Design team could meet on the > > IRC > > > to discuss relevant LibreOffice UI/design topics. We could start with > the > > > > Actually, it would be a great idea if we could meet on IRC on a > > weekly/bi-weekly basis. Maybe name it something like "Let's talk > > design." (which conveniently abbreviates to "Ltd.") and set (a) > > topic(s) before we meet. How do you feel about that? > > > > I agree. > The Gnome design team works on IRC only, and they're very productive. > Should I create another Doodle poll that's more generic and includes all > the days of the week? Is there a way to duplicate a poll on Doodle or do I > have to write in the time intervals again? > > > > > Secondly, there already is a Whiteboard on the topic that Christoph > > started some time ago with many pointers to bugs etc – see [1]. I > > guess we should use that. > > > > OK. > The page looks like it needs a bit of clean-up, though -- for example, why > are suggestions listed under "Current state", and what is the point of > "Further information"? > > > > > Thirdly, often times we miss the basis for what we do here. With > > everyone going into the direction of touch-friendliness here, it's > > easy to steer LibreOffice into even larger inconsistency. What we > > need, clearly is some sort of HIG, else we might actually make > > LibreOffice worse. This is not to say that we need a completely new HIG, > > but we need to > > either copy/paste the pieces we like from others (it still need s to > > be conherent) or need to adapt a pre-existing one that covers what we > > need. > > > > OK. I started a wiki page for it [1]. It's a good topic for our upcoming > IRC chat -- we'll put items in the "Tentative design" section only after > we've discussed them. > There are several things I'd like to talk about: > a) Converging the keyboard+mouse and touch input -- especially important if > we want to target hybrid platforms, such as Gnome 3, Windows 8, and, of > course, the Web. > b) Avoiding double-click [2] -- fortunately, single-clicking is the > standard on the web and on touch-first platforms (Android, webOS, etc.) > c) Dialogs -- Could we slowly obsolete dialogs in favor of contextual > toolbars? Complex dialogs have no place on mobile UIs, where it's > preferable to simply integrate commands into the toolbar, with commands not > fitting into the toolbar placed in an overflow menu on the toolbar; it's > also much easier and faster to work with commands inside a toolbar than > with commands in a dialog window, plus the toolbar allows the user to his > changes applied directly, whereas dialog windows tend to cover up most of > the document. > d) Menus -- Could we also obviate menus (just make them optional) by > integrating common menu commands elsewhere in the interface? > e) What the Android and Web ports mean to us -- a lot of code is reused in > these ports; maybe the LibreOffice dashboard could also become a simple > file manager like it will be on Android? > > [1] > > https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Human_Interface_Guidelines > [2] http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2004/10/double-click-must-die.html > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to [email protected] > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to [email protected] Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
