Hi Christoph, 2012/3/20 Christoph Noack <[email protected]>
> Hi all! > > Cool idea to organize that IRC meeting ... but first, here are some > other thoughts I've had when reading your mail. > > > Am Montag, den 19.03.2012, 20:46 +0100 schrieb Mirek M.: > > 2012/3/19 Stefan Knorr (Astron) <[email protected]> > > > > > Hi Mirek, > > > > > > > I've had a conversation with Alexander Wilms on IRC today and we've > > > decided > > > > that it would be productive if the whole Design team could meet on > the > > > IRC > > > > to discuss relevant LibreOffice UI/design topics. We could start > with the > > > > > > Actually, it would be a great idea if we could meet on IRC on a > > > weekly/bi-weekly basis. Maybe name it something like "Let's talk > > > design." (which conveniently abbreviates to "Ltd.") and set (a) > > > topic(s) before we meet. How do you feel about that? > > Looking back, the OOo IRC meetings have been quite nice ... although > usually only few people joined. Here is some stuff to get an idea what > worked well: > http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Renaissance:Status_Meetings > Thanks for the link. We should have our own IRC channel as well -- perhaps #libreoffice-design ? > [...] > > > Secondly, there already is a Whiteboard on the topic that Christoph > > > started some time ago with many pointers to bugs etc – see [1]. I > > > guess we should use that. > > > > > > > OK. > > The page looks like it needs a bit of clean-up, though -- for example, > why > > are suggestions listed under "Current state", and what is the point of > > "Further information"? > > Oh, thanks for referring to this Whiteboard - it really needs some > cleanup, since some people already started to work on some issues (maybe > causing other issues *g*) - that's documented in Bugzilla. > > Concerning suggestions under "Current state" - I seem to miss them. Maybe you're referring to the "evaluation" of the today's behavior. > I'm referring to the "Issues and User Requests" section, which does include suggestions such as the link to Jef van Schendel's Blog post. Not really an issue, though. Anyway, I tried to clean the wiki up, bring some hierarchy to it. It still needs some work, though. One thing I don't quite understand -- why is "Use with the given UI technology we have so far (=avoid too much toolkit work)" under "Out of scope"? This reads as "using the UI technology we have so far is out of scope", while what I think it's trying to say is that "creating new UI technologies is out of scope", no? Also not sure about "tbd: Help for Other Contributors (Documentation and Translation, QA) " under "Status and Roadmap". What do you want to create? > Proposals and such stuff is handled in the "Draft Area". > > The point of "Further information" was to have a section to add stuff > that fits nowhere else - but I never had such info, so it can go. > > > > > > > Thirdly, often times we miss the basis for what we do here. With > > > everyone going into the direction of touch-friendliness here, it's > > > easy to steer LibreOffice into even larger inconsistency. What we > > > need, clearly is some sort of HIG, else we might actually make > > > LibreOffice worse. This is not to say that we need a completely new > HIG, > > > but we need to > > > either copy/paste the pieces we like from others (it still need s to > > > be conherent) or need to adapt a pre-existing one that covers what we > > > need. > > > > > > > OK. I started a wiki page for it [1]. It's a good topic for our upcoming > > IRC chat -- we'll put items in the "Tentative design" section only after > > we've discussed them. > [...] > > > [1] > > > https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Human_Interface_Guidelines > > Some time ago, I made such a list on my personal page - would it be > helpful to move the table there? > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:ChristophNoack/Temporary_Work_Space > I'd prefer to keep the text to a minimum (for readability). The "Relevant art" section is really just inspiration for what our HIG should be like. If a designer would like to help with the HIG, he should check the relevant art out himself rather than read a description of it. > > Cheers, > Christoph > > > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to [email protected] > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to [email protected] Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
