Hi Thibaut, Heiko On 29 January 2013 23:04, Thibaut Brandscheid <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Astron > > Thanks for your detailed answer. I can't promise to do the data analysis in > the wiki but will have a look at it.
Thanks! I have uploaded the file to http://dl.dropbox.com/u/87946285/libreoffice/OOo31_Usage_Feedback_Data.ods (To my defense, I actually did upload it yesterday.) > LO is a huge project and I assume that > it's sometimes complicated to reach consensus on UI changes. People like > what they already know... an old problem for all lateral thinkers. Well, reaching (complete) consensus is not actually necessary – finding a developer and getting some sort of lazy consensus is enough. The problem, for the most part lies in the former. > I focus on Writer UI stuff here, but I have many other points on how LO > could be improved. The longer I think about it - the more I will find. The > problem is time and to channelize it in a way it is potentially useful to > you. Since Mirek already linked you to some – have a look at our whiteboards and see if you think that process works for you. > Most of the time, I open Writer to write stuff, so highlighting spelling > errors makes sense. When I'm done with writing, there is no need to recheck > the whole text - it's already done. Second argument, browser has only an > auto-spell-checker tool, too. Ah, ok. So you do in fact want some sort of reading mode? > If I open a file in another language to read it I sometimes deactivate the > auto-spell-checking to get rid of the red underlines below every word in the > text. > Btw. auto language recognition would be suuuuuuch a great feature. Not completely sure, but I think we already have some piece of code that tries to make educated guesses to fill the context menu. Anyway, I agree. > ... that are all more power user use-cases. Right, but everyone can cater to basic users – and it seems we are already losing this fight against the likes of Google Docs, not to mention Office 365. So, supporting power users is one way to stay relevant, I guess. > The 'Styles and Formatting' > button kind of duplicates and enhances the drop-down-menu next to it. I > guess that an average user will be completely happy with only the > 'ApplyStyle' drop-down-menu and will not even notice the removal of the > 'Styles and Formatting' button. Probably true. > > >> >> > 1g - Remove the button labeled 'Default' in the lower left corner. Its >> > label is unclear and the button adds no value to the UI (remember >> > average >> > user point of view). >> >> This is a quick style switcher. Arguably, either this combo box or the >> style button should probably go in the longer run. > > The button is confusing, why do I have to double click it, whereas a single > click opens the language menu next to it? Having a quick way to access the > page settings is nice but it is too hidden, so "nearly" nobody will notice. First of all, sorry I misunderstood you: I thought you were speaking of the style combobox in the Formatting toolbar instead of something in the status bar. Also, yes, I agree that it should better go elsewhere where it seems closer/more related to the page. > > >> > 1i - Remove the small paper icons left from the zoom panel. I don't get >> > what it is useful for after trying them several times and guess that >> > normal >> > users would struggle here too. >> >> These can be quite useful. They are for enabling book and multiple >> pages mode – I assume you tried them with a single page in the window? > > Two pages with a page break in between. >> >> We could improve the feedback here, I guess, e.g. by showing one or >> multiple "ghost pages" when enabling book/multiple pages mode. > > I tried it now with a longer document and it still doesn't make much sense > to me ^^ > When using the multiple-page-mode you have to use massively the scroll bars > - feels broken. You mean the book mode, I assume (first page on the right)? Guess it's hard to make it look like a book layout without showing the two pages next to each other. :) The multi-page mode otoh adapts to the size of the screen. In any case, I just noticed, these buttons lack any sort of tooltip – definitely a bug. >> > 1k - Move the 'Align Right' and 'Justified' text formatting button into [...] > On a small screen, they get cut off right now - that's a massive UX problem > because one of the Writers main functions gets hidden too easily. Agree, that's quite a problem. > You could pay someone to get the "boring" stuff done - using donation money. > When donating money, it's nice to know that it helps LO, but you don't see > really what is done with it - LO works as it has in the past. The donation money is currently mostly used to pay for web servers/hosting, to bring people together through hackfests/the annual conference, the foundation etc. Using it to pay otherwise volunteer contributors could be a bad idea, because it can be detrimental to the community at large. (Why is this person paid, but not I?, Why should I contribute again if I don't get money for it again?, etc.) Not saying it always is. > Maybe you have too many icons :) Sure, I do, I'm using the default settings... > I just took a look at the Google docs tool bar and damn it, it looks good > and clean: > http://ubuntuone.com/5a3NbVMN5a1MUUZAdjYB7o > > They have a maximum of three layers of click-able items, mostly two (the > text formatting tool bar and the ruler). Also, they have two horizontal lines and three grey background shades. :) > Is there any chance to see a clean-up of the current UI in the near future? There is always something small that changes and it would seem easy to e.g. remove a few toolbar items, especially because all you have to do is edit a few XML files. It's unlikely though, that you will ever see big-bang changes, simply because neither the regular and short release cycle nor the diverse community are really a good fit for that model. Astron. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to [email protected] Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
