Did you even read my previous messages? I never suggested a massive UI or workflow change so don't go assuming that I did. Go read my messages here before please.
On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 2:31 PM, Sean White <[email protected]> wrote: > On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 7:29 PM, Teo91 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Sean White wrote > > > Just look at what happened to MSOffice after Ribbon. Leaving aside the > > > arguments of > > > whether it did indeed change things for their better, it undeniably > > > changed > > > them dramatically. This resulted in lots of hate from people that were > > > force to change their work flow. > > > > That's not the sidebar case: as discussed upper, the idea is provide an > > (almost) complete UI aside the existing one, > > potentially avoiding any menu browsing. Potentially. > > Don't like the sidebar? It's a click away, close it and will disappear as > > never existed. > > Don't like classic UI? Close toolbars and use the sidebar. > > Ribbon affected users workflow because they had no choice: "Take this and > > shut up" - MS said. > > We are *not* doing something similar. > > > > > I think you misunderstood my intent. My point was to pedro's seeming > suggestion of a massive UI change, or at the very least an abrupt workflow > change. It's didn't work terribly well when microssoft did it becuase it > DID change peoples workflows too much. Regardless of personaly feelings of > productivity, massive workflow changes on major products aren't generally a > good thing as MSOffice, Windows 8 and Gnome have all demonstrated. From > experiences with this mailing list I have a feeling that this is always > going to be a major reason why people won't go with a complete redesign > right off the bat, more a gradual shift towards a design/mockup goal. > > > > > > > > > Sean White wrote > > > LibreOffice uses it's own internal toolkit with a custom selection of > UI > > > elements thus any > > > massive UI change would require the writing of new UI elements into the > > > toolkit and > > > probably the rewritting of a fair ammount of old ones > > > > No more, not in the upcoming future: > > https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/WidgetLayout/FindDialogs > > Over 84% of current dialogs have been converted to the new .ui format who > > rely on GTK+3 toolkit. > > When complete, the plans are (as far as I know): > > - convert toolkit used by exstensions > > - get rid of hundreds of .rsc files (a .po-like old format used for > > translation) > > - finally port main windows to GTK+3 > > > > There isn't an arrival date, but forget LO own toolkit in the future, it > > will be no more a limitation for a UI change :) > > > > The good news is that the sidebar is indeed a dialog docked on the side > and > > already converted to GTK since LO 4.2 > > A potential developers doesn't need to learn a weird old technology, > > neither > > extending it with new elements. > > > > A sidebar improvement still require time and hard work, but it's notably > > simpler now. > > Another good reason why this is the right way to finally enhance LO > visual > > experience. > > > > I'll admit that I have been out of the Libreoffice loop lately so this is > both new and exciting. The custom toolkit always struck me a barrier of > entry to any prospective new contributors. I hope the rest of the > conversion goes well then. > > > > > > > > -- > > View this message in context: > > > http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/The-Sidebar-Problem-tp4094331p4107104.html > > Sent from the Design mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe e-mail to: [email protected] > > Problems? > > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ > > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > > deleted > > > > > > > -- > Sean White, > Within Temptation - Your Argument Is Invalid > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: [email protected] > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: [email protected] Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
