If we believe Wikidata and structured data is the way forward though I think we should `be strong` [1] and help lead the community in this direction.
I think mobile could be a safe place to test this, and to respond to community desires and need for customisation of infoboxes and at the same time increase the growth and success of Wikidata. I am wearing my 'be optimistic' t-shirt today... :) ([1] my take on `be bold` - the <b> tag took on new meaning in HTML5 and I think it's meaning is a little deprecated in the wiki sense and needs updating ;-)) On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 3:56 PM, Derk-Jan Hartman <[email protected]> wrote: > It is problematic, because of two things: > > 1: you take away editorial control from the community (what fact gets shown > and what doesn't and for what reasons). you will have to work on providing > editorial controls to do basic manipulation of this. > 2: Editors can no longer override WikiData, which is a separate community. > You will have to work on bridging the interaction gap between those two sites > (we see similar problems with Commons, though they have been mild by stuff > "just being an image". > > DJ > > > On 13 aug. 2014, at 00:17, Monte Hurd <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> +1 Jon >> >> >>> On Aug 12, 2014, at 10:44 PM, Jon Robson <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Infoboxes cause a huge problem on mobile and I've been asking us to be >>> guinea pigs for this sort of thing. >>> >>> I would like mobile to scrub infoboxes and then generate them in a >>> more appropriate place in the UI using Wikidata. I was told this would >>> be controversial though... >>> >>> On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 2:26 PM, Amir E. Aharoni >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> Just an idea inspired by Brandon's Wikimania talk and some discussions at >>>> Wikidata-L: We can completely remove infobox templates. More precisely, the >>>> templates may stay, but the code that places them in the article can be >>>> removed. >>>> >>>> Let me explain: Wikidata makes it possible to write an infobox without any >>>> parameters - just {{Infobox settlement}} without any |, = and all that. >>>> Wikidata even has a property called "infobox's main topic", a kind of >>>> "meta-property" that can automatically identify which infobox does the >>>> article need, so that you can simply say something like {{Infobox}}. This >>>> is >>>> implemented in the Russian Wikipedia using >>>> https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module:Universal_infocard , which is used on >>>> hundreds of articles there. So it hasn't replaced the usual templates yet, >>>> but the theoretical possibility is there. >>>> >>>> Thus, the only thing left to the editor's discretion is where to place the >>>> infobox. >>>> >>>> This, however, can be handled by Winter. Winter puts infobox-like >>>> information on the info rail*, and if we plan to be bold enough to take it >>>> completely out of the article's prose flow, why not just remove it from the >>>> article completely? If an article has an appropriate infobox template, it >>>> is >>>> shown on the info rail, and that is it. (The Community will then ask for >>>> the >>>> __NOINFOBOX__ magic word, but that's a minor thing.) >>>> >>>> Thoughts? >>>> >>>> * That's how I call the "right rail" until there is consensus on a better >>>> name. See >>>> http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/design/2014-August/001897.html >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי >>>> http://aharoni.wordpress.com >>>> “We're living in pieces, >>>> I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Design mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/design >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Jon Robson >>> * http://jonrobson.me.uk >>> * https://www.facebook.com/jonrobson >>> * @rakugojon >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Design mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/design >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Design mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/design > > > _______________________________________________ > Design mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/design > -- Jon Robson * http://jonrobson.me.uk * https://www.facebook.com/jonrobson * @rakugojon _______________________________________________ Design mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/design
