Hi Phillip,

I think we're beginning to wander back down well-worn discussion paths and in the interest of staying on track of Preview, I'm going to try and summarize your concerns so that I know I understand them, but reiterate what we've already agreed on for Preview.

Your concern is that users won't always want to do edit/update and that there are valid use cases for sending just messages and having a good old-fashioned email conversation. You'd like to see Chandler provide users with a choice to either send a traditional, non- editable, plain email message and/or attach a Chandler Note/Task or Event item that can be edited and updated.

Does this fairly capture what you're saying?

What we're doing for Preview:
We are only satisfying the 2nd use case, but not the first. Every 'message' item that gets sent from Chandler gets a 'Chandler' item attached to it in the form of an EIML attachment. There is no such thing as a 'plain', non-editable Email message. The reasoning behind this is that:

1. For Preview, Chandler is primarily a Notes, Tasks and Events management system with Email functioning as a way to transport Chandler items around. Chandler is *not* meant to replace all forms of email communications, in particular: traditional email conversation/communication.

2. Nonetheless, if users *do* want to just engage in a 'normal' email conversation, there is nothing in the current design that stops them from doing that.

3. From our user interviews, it is unclear that users themselves *know* a priori whether the missive they're about to send out is a *normal* conversation or candidate for Edit/Update. To repeat, many message threads exhibit signs of both kinds of interaction: collaboration on the original message item as well as an attendant conversation thread.

In the end, I don't think we're really disagreeing on the mechanism by which edit/update functions. Either way, we're using EIML attachments to transport Chandler items around. I think the disagreement lies in how workflow options are presented to users:

A. Explicitly: Choose between a non-editable conversation versus an editable attachment; versus B. Implicitly: When the time comes, Edit if you want to, Reply if you want to, either way, the message you send out will support both, so you don't have to decide now. (Another way to think about it is: Why do users need to be able to choose to send a non-editable conversation message, when the edit/update option supports both workflows?)

Finally, how do we resolve this issue: What kind of dogfood feedback do we look for to resolve this issue?

Mimi

On Feb 22, 2007, at 6:21 PM, Phillip J. Eby wrote:

The same way email programs distinguish between the content of a message, and an attachment to the message. That is, I suggest that edit/update workflow should be started by "attaching an item to an email", rather than making the email itself be the subject of the edit/update. Sending out subsequent updates, of course, can be done without doing further attachments, which means that the user then perceives this as a time-saving feature compared to the equivalent workflow in other email clients (where you have to explicitly attach the item each time, keep track of which version is which, etc.).


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