Elijah Newren wrote:
>> Scroll down to "Near future - the 2.16 platform" and try to find GTK+ on
>> the diagram. There is something called "UI Library Project Ridely" under
>> "Gnome Platform" section. At the same time "Gnome Bindings" lists GTK+
>> wrappers using their full names.
>>
>> It seems to me that Gnome is digging a grave for GTK+. What attitude can
>> you expect from me now?
>
> It almost seems like you're looking for a fight. Why? What's the
> point in grabbing some obscure page written by a single person (append
> "?action=info" to the url to see the list of changes and who made
> them), trying to find something that you might be able to construe as
> showing devious intent (rather than asking the author of the page what
> he actually intended; I strongly doubt Nickolay had any such
> intentions), and then ascribing that position to all of Gnome to boot?
> And, as far as I can tell, you have done so without asking any GTK+
> developers whether they feel this way (I'm pretty certain they'd say
> the opposite, knowing several of them and having made a couple small
> contributions myself). Your claim that Gnome is trying to dig a grave
> for GTK+ is preposterous, to say the least.
>
A fight because bullsh*t is a cancer. For another example check this
"review" that puts gtkmm not only above other wrappers but almost on one
level with GTK+ itself:
http://freshmeat.net/articles/view/928
This article is a direct result of gtkmm presentation that tries to
expose that wrapper as a savior by lowering GTK+. This cancer is being
spread for years and the campaign has a deafening success, I myself was
hypnotized once.
>> Also you said that I myself was involved in bureaucracy and politics.
>> No, I wasn't.
>
> In the last three weeks or so, you proposed that the project should
> create a different leadership structure[1], that we should abandon
> free/open source software as ideals[2], and that the HIG should be
> discarded ("I disagree with HIG existence"[3]). How exactly is that
> not spending your time on bureaucracy and politics?
>
[1] - I proposed a change in a leadership but I was not proposing myself
as a leader. And this is not even a change in a leadership, but an
extension: additional position above current structures, a Moderator
[2] - I don't understand how does this abandon foss ideals.
[3] - I changed my opinion later (the second paragraph):
http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2006-August/msg00275.html
>
> [1]
> http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2006-September/msg00228.html
>
>
> [2]
> http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2006-August/msg00258.html
>
> [3]
> http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2006-August/msg00269.html
>
>
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