On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 6:06 PM, Marko Anastasov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 5:03 PM, natan yellin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 3:16 PM, Thomas H.P. Andersen <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> > That's a bit of an exaggeration, but there is something to what > Leslie > >>> > said. > >>> > Personally, I felt that in the case of GHOP, the grand prize was more > >>> > important to most people than the money or the t-shirt. > >>> > >>> Well, maybe. I was not part of it. I do remember her saying that some > >>> students who did not get picked wanted to continue anyway just of the > >>> t-shirt. But sure. Money counts a lot too. > >>> > >>> > >>> >> Wearing a soc t-shirt gets you recognition from your fellow hackers. > >>> >> Having a "diploma" from google in your CV gets you recognition from > a > >>> >> future employer. > >>> > > >>> > It's a bit early to focus on specifics, but don't use the word > diploma. > >>> > Something like "First Place 2009 GNOME Design Winner" sounds better > >>> > even if > >>> > it's more verbose. > >>> > >>> Sorry, I wasn't being clear. I should have told you my position and > >>> motivation for this. I'm about to start the last year of my master and > >>> will soon start doing job interviews. By "diploma" I meant a nicely > >>> laid out document summarizing my contributions to gnome. I feel that > >>> what I have learned from doing gnome stuff is almost as important as > >>> my degree and I would like to be able to document that at a job > >>> interview. Hence the "dimploma". (sorry about that word. I don't know > >>> what to use instead.) > >> > >> I understand. Open source does provide great experience, and an official > >> document summarizing your contributions and skills is more meaningful > than a > >> few sentences on your resume in which you detail your involvement > yourself. > >>> > >>> >> Could we do something like that? A t-shirt for mvp hacker(s) of the > >>> >> year? Perhaps by vote from foundation members or the like? An > official > >>> >> looking pretty printed/printable "diploma" summarizing ones > >>> >> contribution to gnome? > >>> > > >>> > That _does_ sound a bit lame, but perhaps thats just me. I think a > >>> > better > >>> > approach would be to have an awards ceremony at GUADEC (formal events > >>> > make a > >>> > much better impression), pay for the winner's flight, and give them a > >>> > cash > >>> > prize, no matter how small and insignificant it is. It's not > necessary, > >>> > but > >>> > giving them a nice and shiny trophy like Apple does would also be a > >>> > good > >>> > idea. > >>> > >>> That's great for getting credit among your fellow hackers. That was > >>> what I thought the t-shirt would accomplish. Either way is good. One > >>> is just more expensive and I think money is a very limited resource > >>> for such a thing. > >> > >> While they both carry _some_ meaning, even just a paid ticket to GUADEC > is > >> a lot more meaningful then a t-shirt recieved in the mail. > >> The ticket implies that they've done extremely good work, and not only > do > >> they deserve recognition for that, but they get to attend GUADEC so that > >> they can continue to contribute more productively in the future. > >> > >>> > >>> > >>> It's all about motivating developers to do more stuff. I personally > >>> care about getting a pad on the back for doing good work from fellow > >>> hackers and I also care about how I can do stuff to help me get a good > >>> job. Whatever means gets us there is fine :) > >> > >> As you said, there are two issues here: > >> 1. People want something that they can show when they get hired. > >> 2. People appreciate recognition. > > Why do you call them "issues"? You can always tell people what you've > been working on or contributing to. Recognition is relative, but it is > never lacking. Depends on what you expect. > Sorry. It was a bad choice of words. > > Anyway, I disagree a bit here. First of all, the idea that some T-shirt is > the > most important motive so that a young programmer can walk around with > it and get recognition sounds a bit silly to me. Most people on my > university > don't even have a clue what GNOME is, and generally I don't talk about > the things that I do in the GNOME world in my free time to anybody but > one or two people. > In most of the places that I used the term t-shirt, I was referring to recognition in general. As I said, if you want to give an award it has to be something more serious. > > A formal document testifying your GNOME contributions is again, let's say > unnecessary IMO. If your potential employer cannot realize what it means > when somebody comes with a couple of open source project names and > brief explanations behind him then no other paper would matter more and > you should probably look elsewhere for the job. > > In the end you're doing it for your own pleasure, at the same time aware > of the long term (in)direct professional benefits, right? > > The prizes and ceremonies that you mention seem to imply that new > contributors would prefer to do some GNOME stuff over summer, then > later look for a job and more or less disappear. That's perfectly ok, but > probably not the main kind of a manforce that the project primarily needs. > That's not quite true. One of the advantages of inviting them to GUADEC is that it helps dispel that assumption and tries to keep them in the community. > > Getting a GNOME-related job after a while is an awesome form of > "recognition" though, but it's usually not available for people > outside EU and US. > > Regarding sponsorship for GUADEC - if you do anything worth even a > lightning talk, you can apply and will probably be given some kind of > financial support. Oops. Personally, I'll go for that next year. > > > Marko > Natan
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