CC'ing gnome-accessibility-list. This is a must-fix for GNOME 2.30/3.0 as ORBit and Bonobo will be removed (as already written).
It would be great if this could be discussed in the a11y community and if you (plural) could come up with a plan (technical + schedule) in the next weeks (before 2.27.1) defining how to achieve this goal in the next 13 months. andre Am Dienstag, den 17.02.2009, 11:34 -0800 schrieb Peter Korn: > Mark, > > Thank you for all of your work (and your continuing work) in this area. > > In addition to the list you enumerate below, we should also include on > the to-do list: > - modifying the Java to AT-SPI bridge which uses CORBA > - validation against other AT / AT tools which use AT-SPI in one form > or another - Dasher, accerciser > > > Regards, > > Peter Korn > Accessibility Architect & Principal Engineer, > Sun Microsystems, Inc. > > > Hello everyone, > > > > For a long while now I have been working on a D-Bus version of the Gnome > > accessibility framework, AT-SPI. The project has taken longer than > > expected, but much of the functionality is now in-place. > > > > As everyone knows ORBit and Bonobo have been on the deprecated list for > > a long time. I believe that the accessibility framework is one of the > > last hold-outs using the CORBA libraries, so I'd be interested in > > feedback about using D-Bus AT-SPI in future versions of Gnome. > > > > One of the major goals of the project was not to break API of the client > > side libraries. These are the accessibility libraries used by ATs such > > as Orca and GOK. The idea was to provide a seamless transition to D-Bus > > for the existing accessibility code-base. This aim has been somewhat > > successful. > > > > So far an Atk-Bridge Gtk module has been completed, allowing ATK > > applications to expose their accessibility information over D-Bus > > AT-SPI. The pyatspi client side libraries have been completed and are > > API compatible with the existing pyatspi library. The AT-SPI registry > > daemon has also been translated to D-Bus. > > > > Missing from this picture are the cspi client libraries used by GOK and > > LDTP. Cspi bindings have been started by Mike Gorse, but I am not sure > > if he will have the time to continue working on them. > > > > There is still a decent amount of work to do in making D-Bus AT-SPI > > ready for Gnome. As well as the CSpi issue there is a large problem > > regarding object lifetime. The AtkObject and CORBA AT-SPI Accessible > > interfaces expected remote reference counting of accessible objects. For > > good reasons AT-SPI D-Bus removed remote reference counting meaning it > > is not possible to access the children of some containers. The proper > > solution to this involves defining new interfaces for exposing large > > containers. There has been much discussion on g-a-devel regarding this, > > but, as yet, there has been no resolution. > > > > In the far future I would like to see changes to the client side > > accessibility APIs. I'm not a fan of Cspi, its a Glib library that > > unlike ATK is not GObject based. Pyatspi is a fine API, but both have > > the problem that they make synchronous method calls to remote processes. > > Possibly causing deadlock, or forcing us to re-enter the main-loop. > > > > My involvement in D-Bus AT-SPI is going to continue, but as funding is > > not guaranteed in the future, my time on the project may decrease. > > > > I would like to know: > > > > How important is the removal of ORBit / Bonobo to Gnome plans? > > > > When moving to D-Bus AT-SPI how amenable are people to killing the Cspi > > library? > > (This is a nasty one. It would require major changes to GOK) > > > > When moving to D-Bus AT-SPI how amenable are people to deprecating Cspi? > > > > What do we need to do to get this in to Gnome 3.0? > > > > I'm also looking for any suggestions as to how I can encourage other > > people to help with this project. I think it could be important to > > Gnome, and as already stated, I may not be able to continue working on > > it full-time. > > > > The repository is available at: > > > > http://anongit.freedesktop.org/git/at-spi2/at-spi2-core.git > > or > > git://anongit.freedesktop.org/git/at-spi2/at-spi2-core.git > > > > A page detailing the current status of the project and instructions for > > testing is located at http://www.linuxfoundation.org/en/AT-SPI_on_D-Bus. > > > > The mailing list for the project is > > accessibility-at...@lists.linux-foundation.org. > > > > Thanks > > > > Mark > > _______________________________________________ > > desktop-devel-list mailing list > > desktop-devel-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > desktop-devel-list mailing list > desktop-devel-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list -- mailto:ak...@gmx.net | failed http://www.iomc.de/ | http://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper _______________________________________________ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list