I know free software alternatives exist, but some apps don't even support them.
If we want people to migrate, let's just support proprietary media formats. Let's support anything the users actually use. Even closed-source tools. Why not, if it's what they use??? [sarcasm] I agree I don't have to add a Facebook account to GOA, but you make a mistake assuming what users want is the right thing. Fact: many people are addicted to Facebook. Fact: many of them know it's bad. Fact: it doesn't make them stop using it. Fact: if Gnome is good enough without Facebook, it can help them stop using it. Fact: it supplies integration and GOA accounts, thus the users remain addicted. Fine, keep the Facebook account, just give users the option to never see and use it. Also, why waste time on it? Go ahead, write plugins, but why FOCUS on Facebook and Twitter? I'd rather fix random bugs. If integrating Windows Live, Facebook and Google is the way to make people migrate to Gnome, I'm ashamed of that. Ashamed of being a part of that. We can keep those features, but give them the lowest prioprity. If Gnome is good enough, people will come anyway. Otherwise, I prefer they don't come, than the case they come because of Facebook and MSN integration. What I'm saying is: Sometimes users don't know what's best for them. It's okay, nobody's perfect. But why help the devil? Let's guide them to using free-software alternatives! GNU and Gnome are supposed to me committed to freedom, not to users' wishes. Users wish to use facebook, but that's just an issue of addiction and not understanding software freedom and privacy. We can't let that change our goals. Anyway, you get the point. You're welcome to have all those features, just make sure I can have all of them using free software. And make that the first priority. THEN you can add facebook and google. They're in wide use, but I can't let them be in the highest priority. It just wouldn't make any sense. Good luck! And never forget, freedom and privacy are above all :) On ו', 2013-04-12 at 00:24 +0200, Matteo Settenvini wrote: > With the new notifications panel, if you find notifications from a > certain source annoying you can disable them. Also, in the online > accounts panel you don't have to add what you don't want to. If these > notifications distract you, just don't add them in the first place. > > We already have Facebook and Google as sources in GOA, as well as Flickr > and Windows Live. While I am myself fighting for freedom on our > platforms, and I fully agree Diaspora would be a nice addition, I don't > see what keeps us to integrate our desktop to other websites for those > users that would like to use them anyway. > > Choosing to fire up a browser and go visit that website (authenticating > inside Epiphany/Firefox), or choosing to manually add an online account > (authenticating with g-o-a) only changes the interaction medium, but > it's up to the user to decide what to do. > > I am just proposing to have a generic framework to handle messages from > social networks for those users who care to keep notifications enabled / > manually configure them in GOA. StatusNet (and Identi.ca) is another > free-software example of something that could benefit from this > approach. As you see, there are free-software alternatives to > proprietary ones, and they shouldn't be penalized. The framework would > be source-agnostic. > > In fact, I believe that having Identi.ca supported by GOA would help > boost its popularity, making it a more prominent alternative against, > for instance, Twitter. > > That said, other desktop environments such as Mac OS X Mountain Lion, > and Windows 8, both have integrated support for these things. I am not > saying "let's do like they do", just pointing out that there might be a > use case for users migrating from other platforms to GNOME. > > Cheers, > Matteo > > ------- Messaggio inoltrato ------- > Da: אנטולי קרסנר <[email protected]> > A: [email protected] > CC: [email protected], GNOME Desktop Development List > <[email protected]> > Oggetto: Re: Two 3.10 feature ideas > Data: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 00:30:42 +0300 > > The first idea sounds good, but I don't think the second one is worth > anyone's effort. > > Just a personal opinion, but as a Facebook user in the past, I've seen > how loads of notifications keep you addicted and distracted and don't > let you do the useful things you planned to do. > > There may be some use to such notifications, but basically - you would > just be helping Facebook, Twitter and Google+ get more people addicted. > And all three of them are proprietary and have known storied about how > they use people's private data... > > So in my opinion, working on these notifications is one of the most > not-important things we can possibly work on. I prefer to fix random > bugs than help Facebook track people and control their lives. > > I know Google sponsors Gnome, but it doesn't change the fact I fight for > software freedom, and I don't want to use Facebook or Twitter or Google > mail/docs service. I do use this GMail mailbox, but I know it's bad and > I'm looking for replacements. There's Diaspora, for example. > > I know many people here actually work for RedHat, but all those of you > who care about software freedom purely: Do you really want > Facebook/Google/Twitter to take over the desktop? If they do, Gnome will > become just another desktop environment, not any better than Windows. > Freedom and privacy are killer features, ladies and gentlemen. At least > in my humble opinion. Let's not give up on them so easily. > > But do go ahead with the Evolution idea :) > > - Anatoly Krasner > > On ה', 2013-04-11 at 22:09 +0200, Daniel Mustieles García wrote: > > For the first idea, maybe something like this could be useful: > > > > http://code.google.com/p/gnome-gmail-notifier/ > > > > I've been using it in both GNOME 2 and GNOME 3 ant id works properly > > with notifications, so it would be a good starter point. > > > > Cheers! > > > > 2013/4/11 Matteo Settenvini <[email protected]> > > Dear all, > > > > unfortunately, I don't know if I will have the manpower in the > > next six > > months to contribute actively to GNOME, so I'm just dropping > > two ideas > > for features here. I believe they would benefit a good number > > of users. > > > > * Finally have evolution display notifications for new > > messages while > > the main UI is not open. There was a proposal in this > > direction several > > cycles ago, but I believe it was postponed indefinitely. Has > > evolution-data-server all the needed pieces? This is not > > conceptually > > much different than notifications for new chat messages. Sure, > > it can be > > achieved by some another different small program which needs > > to be > > configured separately, but it would be nice to have this well > > integrated > > with the rest of the GNOME experience. > > > > * Add social network notifications. Some of them could be > > read-only > > notifications (e.g. for Google+, which does not provide a > > write API), > > others could afford to offer an interface similar to the one > > used for > > chat (e.g. for Facebook and Twitter) where you can respond. > > Gwibber > > attempted to do some of these things, but a solution > > integrated with > > g-o-a (which already has the authentication pieces in place) + > > gnome-shell seem to make much sense. > > > > Anyway, thanks for your strenuous work! > > > > Cheers, > > -- > > Matteo Settenvini > > FSF Associated Member > > Email : [email protected] > > > > > > -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- > > Version: 3.12 > > GCS/E d--(-) s+: a- C+++ UL+++ > > P+ L++++>$ E++>+++ W+++ N+ o? > > w--- O M- V- PS++ PE- Y+>++ > > PGP+++ t++ 5 X- R+ !tv b+++ > > DI++ D++ G++ e++ h+ r++ y+ > > ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > desktop-devel-list mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > > desktop-devel-list mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list > > > _______________________________________________ > desktop-devel-list mailing list > [email protected] > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list > _______________________________________________ desktop-devel-list mailing list [email protected] https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
