Hello Karen, I must say I really like your writing skill and excellent verbal expression ability :) Thanks for making things clear. I agree with you, providing access to popular services is a pre-requisite for many people, while providing free-software alternatives is still a primary goal, and always should be.
On ו', 2013-04-12 at 15:27 -0400, Karen Sandler wrote: > On Fri, April 12, 2013 1:51 pm, ×× ×˜×•×œ×™ ×§×¨×¡× ×¨ wrote: > > I wasn't implying closed-source software succeeds, it was sarcasm. > > > > Anyway, arguing on different believes and priorities is pointless, I'll > > stop here. I got the point, you want a bigger market share. But I don't > > understand why. I mean, why is that the primary goal? It sounds like a > > goal for a commercial company. > > I've got to chime in here too - I want to bring free software to more > people as part of our nonprofit charitable mission. I believe that it is > really important to our society that we build free alternatives to the > proprietary systems that are increasingly being relied on for critical > functionality. Free software is the right answer for all software, but we > do have a basic challenge in providing the alternatives that people will > want to use. I want to encourage a move to good online services, but I > also know that providing a way for users to continue to use the services > that they already count on is a pre-requisite for many. It's a complicated > issue, and I think we need to work as hard as possible to build > alternatives and to encourage users towards fully free and ethically built > software and services. But we also must be an immediately viable > alternative. > > karen > > > > > Anyway, you do what you believe in and I'll do what I believe in. I > > understand now, why Gnome supplies all those "bad" plugins before it > > tries to offer replacements. > > > > There are enough modules for me to work on, which aren't related to > > Facebook or Google. > > > > See you around > > > > On ו', 2013-04-12 at 19:29 +0200, Andre Klapper wrote: > >> On Fri, 2013-04-12 at 19:40 +0300, ×× ×˜×•×œ×™ ×§×¨×¡× ×¨ wrote: > >> > What does "competing on the market" mean? Do you get a salary for > >> > working on Gnome projects, which depends on how many people use your > >> > software? > >> > >> Primarily, markets are based on interest & attention, not money. > >> > >> > Since when is "increasing the user base" a primary goal? If that's > >> we're > >> > after, let's start writing closed-source software. Microsoft, Google, > >> > Facebook and many others succeed more than Gnome, maybe we should just > >> > follow them and abandon the Free Software idea. > >> > >> You imply that because of being closed-source, other projects are more > >> successful, but it's more likely that they are successful for a number > >> of other reasons while being closed-source. So that's a false cause. > >> > >> But we might differ on defining "success" here, I'm thinking in terms of > >> userbase and marketshare, you might not. > >> > >> > Now seriously, which goal is more important: spreading software > >> freedom > >> > and free-as-in-freedom computing, or just getting more people to use > >> > Gnome (which doesn't increase anyone's salary anyway)? > >> > >> To me both is important. Plus not sure why you mention salaries. > >> > >> > In my opinion, the point is that the developers themselves should care > >> > about software freedom, and make that a high-priority goal, rather > >> than > >> > feeding their ego by having users migrate to Gnome. > >> > >> So "caring about software freedom" does not feed your ego by making you > >> feel more morale compared to closed-source? Good, then. > >> > >> > You can't spread > >> > freedom if you're not consistent with your own ideas. People will say, > >> > "all that open source/free software thing is bullshit, look at them. > >> > They supply a direct connection to Facebook and GMail and Twitter from > >> > the desktop, before them even bother to give us a free alternative. > >> It's > >> > all bullshit, let's go back to Windows." > >> > >> "People will say" misses a citation, but I can come up with that too: > >> "People will say that the open source/free software thing is bullshit, > >> they don't even offer basic integration with the most common services on > >> the interwebs. Freedom is nice, but I need to get my work done." > >> > >> Anyway, I prefer to make GNOME good, easy, beautiful for everybody, not > >> just for people who already know and care about software freedom. > >> > >> andre > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > desktop-devel-list mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list > > _______________________________________________ desktop-devel-list mailing list [email protected] https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
