On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 2:57 AM, Bastien Nocera <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Mon, 2013-07-08 at 02:52 -0400, Jasper St. Pierre wrote: > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 2:48 AM, Bastien Nocera <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > On Sun, 2013-07-07 at 15:05 +0200, Tomasz Torcz wrote: > > > > > On Fri, Jul 05, 2013 at 11:01:24AM +0200, Bastien Nocera > > wrote: > > > > On Fri, 2013-07-05 at 08:45 +0100, David Woodhouse wrote: > > > > > On Thu, 2013-07-04 at 16:18 -0500, Michael Catanzaro > > wrote: > > > > > > I haven't seen an app menu (gmenu) discussion in quite > > some time, which > > > > > > is a bit surprising as more apps add them. 3.10 will > > be the fourth > > > > > > release featuring app menus, and by now most GNOME > > applications have > > > > > > one. But the only information on the GNOME wiki seems > > to have been > > > > > > written for GNOME 3.4, and there seem to be some > > issues and > > > > > > inconsistencies with the implementation throughout the > > project. > > > > > > > > > > I've been using GNOME all that time and I'd never > > noticed them. > > > > > > > > > > This is the one in the top panel which, with > > focus-follows-mouse, > > > > > > > > Which is exactly one of the reasons why > > focus-follows-mouse isn't an > > > > option we offer/isn't supported. There's probably plenty > > more things > > > > that don't work well with focus-follows-mouse, so finding > > creative > > > > solutions to those problems might be required. > > > > > > This seems backward. F-f-m was here first, > > > > > > Was where first? In GNOME? In metacity? In Unix desktops? In > > Xerox Parc? > > > > > and is still being used by some > > > minority (me included). Current designs break f-f-m > > functionality. Your comment > > > about ”finding creative solutions” sounds like F-f-m was > > something new. > > > > > > It's not something new, it's something unsupported. > > > > > Designs were made in total ignorance of f-f-m. > > > > > > Because it's unsupported. > > > > > > > > As someone who works on mutter and gnome-shell, I'm curious: since > > when is it unsupported? I've never heard anybody say this before. > > It's not the default, it's not togglable in System Settings, and it's > not been designed for. That makes it unsupported. > We added special code for it in 3.6 after the result of user testing finding issues with the application menu and focus-follows-mouse. We're certainly not removing the code for it, and as far as I'm aware, it's still a consideration for designers. That makes it supported. > > > The requirement should be > > > restated as ”finding creative solutions for things that used > > to work”, i.e. things > > > that were already working, were ”solved”. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > desktop-devel-list mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list > > > > > > > > -- > > Jasper > > > > _______________________________________________ > > desktop-devel-list mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list > > > -- Jasper
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