Glynn - check out:

http://www.winsupersite.com/images/showcase/vista5270_089.jpg

Though should mention in latest build virtual folders have been all but 
backed out
[http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/winvista_5308.asp]


http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/winvista_5270.asp


    New Start button and Start menu

You'll notice subtle improvements to the Windows Vista desktop as soon 
as it appears. The ugly Start button has been replaced by a prettier 
round Start button that loses the "Start" text but includes the Vista 
flag logo. The Start menu itself has been thoroughly overhauled as well, 
with a new layout and, on systems with Aero Glass, an icon preview that 
sticks up above the top level of the menu and animates as you mouse over 
items on the right side of the menu (Figure 
<http://www.winsupersite.com/images/showcase/vista5270_002.jpg>).

Now, recently used applications are given more precedence in the Start 
menu, and that left half of the menu occupies about two-thirds of the 
total menu width. Navigation is as with previous Vista builds: There's 
no more All Programs pop-up menu. Instead, the left portion of the Start 
menu displays everything in place.

On the right side of the Start menu, all of the options have completed 
changed, though it's not obvious at first, and they lack icons now. As 
you mouse over each item on the right side, the top icon preview changes 
to display the icon of the item you're about to select. At the top of 
this right side of the menu is an entry for your home folder, though 
it's not called that, and is named per your user name (mine says 
"Paul"). Below that are a list of commonly-accessed personal folders 
(Virtual Folders in previous builds, and special shell folders in XP), 
commonly-accessed file system locations (Library, Computer, and 
Network), and other options such as Recent Items, Control Panel, Program 
Defaults (formerly "Set Program Access and Defaults"), and Help. At the 
bottom right are buttons for locking and shutting down the computer.

The personal folders in the Start menu bear some explanation, since 
their use has changed. In Windows XP, you're probably familiar with 
special shell folders like My Documents, My Music, and My Pictures that 
appear in the Start menu. In previous Vista builds, the equivalent items 
in the Start menu (Documents, Music, and Pictures) pointed not to 
physical folder locations as in XP, but rather to Virtual Folders, a new 
UI construct that aggregates content from all over your hard drive and 
presents it in a single place. So, for example, the Documents entry in 
the October CTP actually brought you to a Virtual Folder called All 
Documents. I found this confusing because there was actually a physical 
folder called Documents as well, and you could get to it from the All 
Documents Virtual Folder.

So how does it work in 5270? When you select Documents from the Start 
Menu, you're actually brought to the Documents folder that sits under 
your home folder. In other words, it works just like XP. You can still 
access various document-related Virtual Folders from the left-mounted 
Common Places pane in the window that appears, however. This is, I 
think, more logical than the previous system. And, as it turns out, it's 
something that Microsoft has struggled with as it moves towards a truly 
virtualized file system.

"We actually considered at one time not having folders," Microsoft lead 
product manager Greg Sullivan told me during a recent briefing. "It was 
all going to be virtualized storage 
<http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/winvista_5270.asp#> with search 
queries and so on. We would just completely abstract the file 
organization stuff from the physical folders and disk structure. But 
that was too much of a leap over the chasm, too confusing for users. But 
what we have now will probably evolve over time as well."

Sullivan agreed with me that the previous system in Vista, where Start 
menu items linked to confusingly named Virtual Folders instead of 
similarly named physical folders, had proven to be too confusing as 
well. So the company began working earlier this fall to simplify the 
interface. "The namespace stuff has been simplified in a lot of ways, 
but the rationalization of what you just talked about, where you have a 
Virtual Folder and a physical folder with the same or similar names, 
that's going to change," he said. "We're doing a bunch of usability 
testing on the whole thing and it's changing. The idea that we can 
abstract the physical folders is still valuable, however."

So Virtual Folders are still there. They're still the results of search 
queries, and you can still create your own custom Virtual Folders. Now, 
however, the Pictures item in the Start menu actually launches the 
physical folder called Pictures. Likewise, Music launches Music, not a 
Virtual Folder. But each of these folder views does include access to 
various Virtual Folders, and you can open the new Library item in the 
Start menu to view all of the available Virtual Folders on your system. 
It will be interesting to see how (or if) users take to Virtual Folders. 
Microsoft is, in some ways, betting that they will, but I think this 
switch is inevitable, thanks to the massive storage devices 
<http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/winvista_5270.asp#> we now have, 
and because much of the content we access is not stored locally, but is 
instead found on networked drives or even Internet-based file stores.



Paul Byrne wrote:

>Unfortunately it appears to be really hard to grab a screenshot of the
>menu, even assuming I had an app that would capture the image (perhaps
>gimp would) as soon as I select an app the menu disappears.
>
>The only thing I can think of is to capture the entire video stream, but
>I don't have the equipment.
>
>Next time you (or anyone else) is in the vicinity of Santa Clara I'd
>gladly give you a demo.
>
>Rgds
>
>Paul
>
>Glynn Foster wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Hey,
>>
>>On Thu, 2006-03-09 at 10:43 -0800, Paul Byrne wrote:
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>We should also be mindful of what MS is doing with Vista as this will
>>>influence future users muscle memory etc.
>>>
>>>The start menu in Vista is different from XP (at least in the current
>>>beta).
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>Could you provide screenshots, or pointers to some screenshots? I can
>>host them if you don't have webspace?
>>
>>thanks,
>>
>>Glynn
>>
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
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