> Then file bugs on it. Honestly, I have used GNOME
> desktops for years
> all day for development, and I very rarely have run
> into any problem
> as severe as I had vague complaints about. Also, I
> sincerely doubt
> there are any memory usage problems with Gtk in
> general, I suspect it
> is more likely in the application you are using.

yeah, blame firefox, gnome-terminal, thunderbird,
great.

> 
> > > You seem to not like GNOME very much or the most
> > > capable open source
> > > browser we have available for the platform. It
> might
> > > be better if you
> > > proposed alternatives.
> >
> > maybe it was too much sticking the whole GNOME.
> the
> > real problem is the gtk library. Unfortunately
> that
> > means everything else shares the problem. This is
> not
> > just on nexenta, it is also a problem on Linux
> > distro's and I have felt this way since RH9. If
> you
> > feel that is unfair then i guess you must also
> feel
> > that Linus Torvalds is unfair with his gripes with
> > GNOME then.
> 
> No, the real problem is not the Gtk library. If you
> have specific
> proof of a problem in Gtk, please file a bug or
> share the technical
> details. Linus Torvalds gripes about GNOME have not
> been about memory
> usage at all, rather customisation, window managers,
> and input
> methods.

calling 'using a lot of memory' a bug...hahahaha I can
hear the laughter, no thank you.

> 
> > The best alternative is to have alternatives. I am
> not
> > going to say KDE, WindowMaker or whatever.
> 
> There are many alternatives available already if
> users want them.

wonderful, i will be exploring what is on Nevada.

> 
> > > > is a real pity that firefox and thunderbird
> use
> > > gtk. I
> > > > am not saying everything gnome is bad but the
> > > > underlying gtk stuff is something that I have
> not
> > > had
> > > > a very nice experience with. Of course, the
> > > nexenta
> > > > choice of deb packaging is very nice.
> > >
> > > What else would they use?
> >
> > qt.
> 
> Qt's licensing remains an outstanding issue.
> Trolltech's licensing
> page claims you can use it under the QPL with any
> Open Source license
> approved by the OSI, but their licensing page has a
> few
> contradictions.

Only saw the QPL now. The QPL sounds like GPL and
more.

> 
> I refuse to use a windowing library that forces my
> software to be GPL.
> Gtk doesn't do that. My choice of license should be
> mine and not that
> of the library I am using.

the viral GPL eh? I can live with it but yes, i guess
i will have to look elsewhere if i don't want to use
GPL on my stuff...

> 
> > > > I'd want sun cc compiled packages and stable
> sun
> > > > libraries with gcc and glibc stuff available
> > > separately.
> > >
> > > That's what we have right now at last check.
> >
> > Which is fine. My first open solaris installation
> is
> > nexenta which for your information is gcc compiled
> > although with sun libraries.
> >
> > That is not very far from gcc + glibc solaris. I'd
> > rather Ian Murdock NOT take Solaris down that
> road.
> 
> Well, you're certainly welcome to that view. I don't
> see Sun taking
> the route of Nexenta, although I don't think there's
> anything wrong
> with it. Every distribution meets the needs of
> different folks.

Cool, you must love the sun/gnu ld incompatibilities
then. To each his own.

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