On 2010-12-24 10:57, Rony G. Flatscher wrote:
On 23.12.2010 17:49, Jan Holst Jensen wrote:
On 2010-12-23 17:30, Rony G. Flatscher wrote:
On 22.12.2010 19:13, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
Don't expect a fix form LibO they work more in the direction to remove
Java completely ;-)
Why would they want to cripple OOo that badly ?
Do you happen to know the rationale by any chance?
Maybe the question rephrased to make it more on-track: would there be a
problem with Java in OOo, such that removing Java would solve a problem?
And if so, what would it be?
Most of OOo is written in C++ so it won't be badly crippled if Java is
removed from the product. I have used OOo without Java on a machine
and almost all of OOo works just fine without Java.
That's the point: not all of OOo is written in C++ anymore, there are
quite important subsystems written in Java.
One premiere example is the scripting subsystem, which makes JavaScript,
BeanShell, ooRexx and others available to OOo. Removing Java removes all
these options and renders programs written in these languages useless.
Another premiere example is the Java-API-interface to the entire OOo.
Removing Java removes the ability to use OOo from Java and to deploy all
Java applications that use OOo.
Therefore the conclusion, that removing Java from OOo yields OOo to be
badly crippled.
That LibreOffice is going to remove the abillity to create Java
extensions is the opposite of what I have understood and I believe that
I tried to convey that. I may be totally wrong - I am not affiliated in
any way with neither OpenOffice.org nor LibreOffice. I am just trying to
pass on what I have been able to read from the various mailing lists.
As far as I can understand LibreOffice is just trying to minimize the
_dependency_ on Java. Developers will still be able to write
extensions in Java but the core (of LibreOffice) won't ideally require
a Java runtime anymore.
It removes the ability for Java programmers to use LO and it removes the
ability to script LO with the scripting languages added since OOo 2.0.
Well, if that turns out to be the case then don't use LibreOffice - as
Konstantin has just remarked. I would certainly place my bets that OOo
does _not_ remove Java.
As for the reasons: It would potentially minimize memory usage and
some are probably concerned about the Oracle<> Google debacle:
http://www.mail-archive.com/discuss@documentfoundation.org/msg02492.html
http://www.mail-archive.com/discuss@documentfoundation.org/msg02612.html
I cannot see why this has anything to do with LO.
Well, the links reference a discussion about removing Java dependencies
from LibreOffice. But you're absolutely right. This doesn't have much to
do with LibreOffice since this is an OpenOffice.org mailing list ;-).
Perhaps your concerns about LibreOffice would be better adressed at
http://www.documentfoundation.org/contribution/#lists ?
Cheers
-- Jan Holst Jensen
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