just sayin :) </JamesM>
On 1/23/14 12:09 AM, "Paul Davis" <[email protected]> wrote: >https://github.com/bumptech/stud > >:D > >On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 11:34 PM, Mutton, James <[email protected]> >wrote: >> functioning ssl? >> >> </JamesM> >> >> >> >> >> On 1/22/14 11:07 PM, "Robert Samuel Newson" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>>Ditto, can¹t think of a thing worth having post-R14 to take the leap >>>given the numerous broken releases. I had forgotten that monitoring was >>>broken in R16B01. Good grief. >>> >>>B. >>> >>>On 23 Jan 2014, at 07:03, Paul Davis <[email protected]> >>>wrote: >>> >>>> Oops, that should've have been "re-add support". >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 10:53 PM, Paul Davis >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> Surprised that no one has mentioned that monitors were broken in >>>>>R16B01. >>>>> >>>>> http://erlang.org/pipermail/erlang-bugs/2013-July/003670.html >>>>> >>>>> While I do agree with general points on both sides of the minimum >>>>> Erlang requirement I think its important to note that even Basho is >>>>> staying with R15B01 at the moment. I haven't heard of anything major >>>>> on R16B0(2|3) but given that Basho isn't running that I wonder if >>>>>they >>>>> found something else there. >>>>> >>>>> I'm also intrigued by the reason that projects have dropped R14 >>>>> support. I don't know of anything super majorly awesome in newer >>>>> releases so I'd wonder if it wouldn't be possible with a bit of >>>>>effort >>>>> to read support to upstream projects. >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 3:33 PM, Russell Branca >>>>><[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> The scheduler collapse problems in R15 and R16 are widely known and >>>>>>not >>>>>> resolved. Frankly, as developers of a database, we should strive to >>>>>>provide >>>>>> end users with the most reliable and best experience, which in my >>>>>>opinion >>>>>> means we should recommend R14B01. There is not a battle tested, >>>>>>reliable >>>>>> version of Erlang that has proven to solve the scheduler collapse >>>>>>problems, >>>>>> and until that time, I think it's unwise to remove support for R14. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -Russell >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 6:20 AM, Benoit Chesneau >>>>>><[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Robert, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I understood what you meant. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Imo the best thing would be creating a check list of the things >>>>>>>that >>>>>>> prevent to go to a version greater than R14. Can you share the one >>>>>>>you have >>>>>>> inside cloudant ? It will help us to reach a consensus also later >>>>>>>to >>>>>>>make >>>>>>> sure we can fix them in next Erlang releases. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This is not that I want absolutely use the latest. If we stand on >>>>>>>an >>>>>>>old >>>>>>> and unmaintained release then we should know exactly why and check >>>>>>>from >>>>>>> time to time if we still need to stay on this version. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - benoit >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 2:06 PM, Robert Samuel Newson >>>>>>><[email protected] >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I could have phrased it better, so I¹ll do so now; >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> R14 is still widely used in production and is very stable. R15 and >>>>>>>>R16 >>>>>>>> have known stability problems that affect deployments using NIF¹s >>>>>>>>that >>>>>>> can >>>>>>>> potentially run for longer than a millisecond before returning >>>>>>>>control to >>>>>>>> the scheduler. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I am not blackmailing the project but I hope you can understand >>>>>>>>how >>>>>>>>I >>>>>>> feel >>>>>>>> about your suggestion to remove the ability for Cloudant to >>>>>>>>continue >>>>>>>> working after we are making such a large contribution and, >>>>>>>>further, >>>>>>> seeking >>>>>>>> to move our active development to couchdb itself. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> B. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 22 Jan 2014, at 13:01, Benoit Chesneau <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 1:58 PM, Dave Cottlehuber >>>>>>>>><[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 22 January 2014 13:23, Benoit Chesneau <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 12:41 PM, Robert Samuel Newson >>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Benoit, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Cloudant requires R14 support, it would mean our contribution >>>>>>>>>>>>to >>>>>>>> couchdb >>>>>>>>>>>> becomes useless to us and we could not contribute further. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Are you using blackmail? Is this the position of the Cloudant >>>>>>> company? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Benoit, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Your comment reads like an ad hominem attack, and I don't think >>>>>>>>>>Bob's >>>>>>>>>> point, nor Bob, nor Cloudant, deserved that. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> My questions stand. The way it is formulated, and that's not the >>>>>>>>>first >>>>>>>>> time, is not that clear at all. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>> >>
