Wouldn't this solvable by including Martin's visitor example for JSF 2.0 as a 
phase listener instead of explicitying writing hooks everywhere?




>On 4/27/06, Mario Ivankovits <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Hi!
>>
>> > I don't see that as a major problem, but it's simple to fix if it is.  
>Just
>> > parse the URL in the FormRenderer and extract query parameters in it
>> > into hidden values.  I wrote some code a few years ago that did
>> > just that.
>> So we still have a renderer replacement? Than the advantage of your
>> solution is lost.
>
>No, it's not lost:  first up, I think that could be done right in
>FormRendererBase
>without any portability.  Even if you didn't do that, one tweak to
>form is far, far
>better han asking everyone writing components to call a custom API.
>
>> We have our own renderer, and if someone else replaces the form renderer
>> the functionality will be lost too.
>
>No, they'd still get the functionality, because they'd still call
>ViewHandler.getActionURL().  As opposed to your proposed
>solution, actually, where a replaced form renderer *would*
>lose the functionality.
>
>> And - I my life it WAS a major problem for some customers. We ended with
>> an servletFilter which encrypts all links on an page.
>> I dont want to happen this situation again.
>
>I've said how you can solve the problem.  Do you disagree
>that the form renderer can handle this for you?
>
>> >> And - once rendered the values are fixed, putting them on the
>> >> link/button level allows the provider to return different values for
>> >> different actions (once we extended the provider to tell him which
>> >> component requires the values)
>> >>
>> > IMO, that's a very unsatisfying approach.  Different actions should not
>> > get different URL parameters - that information should be left
>> > in the component tree.  Why do you need this?
>> >
>> In the end it should be possible to do stuff like auto_scroll using this
>> approach.
>
>I don't understand why that would ever be *per*-component.
>
>> Currently I need it to get something simmilar to seams conversationId
>> into the request parameters.
>
>Yes, but that's not per-component, right?
>
>> >> You are right, with the component dependency problem, but I tend to make
>> >> my life easier - thus - tomahawk extensions work only with tomahawk
>> >> components.
>> >>
>> >
>> > That's a mindset that we have to get away from!  JSF
>> > functionality should work with all JSF components;   otherwise,
>> > we're back to a lock-in scenario, which discards the whole
>> > advantage of having a standard like JSF.
>> >
>> While I am with you, some deeper functions need compromises.
>>
>> The problem is, that it is not possible to decorate the renderer, is it?
>
>No, not usefully.
>
>> Some next JSF release should introduce this abillity and also define the
>> methods a renderer has to provide.
>> Eg. a clear specification what a form renderer (in fact - all h:
>> standard renderer) has to do and the naming of the methods.
>> I do not talk about encodeBegin etc, but something like encodeFormStart,
>> encodeFormParameters, encodeFormParameter, encodeFormStart (all
>> protected methods)
>
>I'd disagree;  I don't think specific Renderer APIs should ever be further
>specified -  in fact, we should be moving away from any specific requirement
>that there even *be* a Form component in any specific tree.
>
>If the spec were going to address this, I think this should be handled via 
>APIs
>akin to ViewHandler and ExternalContext, registered at a RenderKit-level.
>
>BTW, I do agree that it's useful to have a RequestParameterProvider.
>I just strongly disagree with the idea that FormRenderer should be calling 
>it;
>it should be called by a ViewHandler decorator.
>
>Regards,
>Adam

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