Thanks for your reply Josh.
I can't create a new channel in netbeans.slack.com so I guess Geertjan or
the creator of this workspace could do it.
I guess first we need to:
- decide how we want to exchange ideas, so please vote for one of the
following:
- slack channel
- google group mailing list
<[email protected]>
- [email protected] but using a header like [Apache
NetBeans 9 Apress Book]
- other (please advise)
- and once this is decided then vote in there whether we wish to write
- an Apress book
- a LeanPub <https://leanpub.com/> book (but then we need to decide
what to do with the money if the book is not free)
- a free community (wiki?) book (e.g. using github.io or another wiki)
Looking forward your feedback.
John.
On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 at 05:48, Josh Juneau <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi John,
>
> Thanks for sending the detailed proposed TOC for the book. I agree with
> the three-part book, and I also am in-line with the proposed chapters. I
> like your idea of looking at the various NetBeans books that are available
> now to get an idea of coverage. Those interested in working on the book
> should send ideas on proposed chapters after looking at the table of
> contents from some of the other available books. I believe that would
> ensure we have a solid lineup of chapters.
>
> To answer your questions:
>
> 1) With respect to collaboration, I like the email idea, and I also think
> that we should start a NetBeans book Slack group. Perhaps as a channel
> added into the existing NetBeans slack group.
>
> 2) Thanks for starting a mailing list for the book! I think this is a
> great idea.
>
> 3). Apress uses Microsoft Office online (and they should provide accounts)
> that we authors can use for collaboration efforts.
>
> If we go with Apress for the book, we will be working with Jonathan
> Gennick...at least in the beginning. I'll reach out to him and provide
> your contact information John, if the group is interested in proceeding.
>
> Thanks again...looking forward to moving this along!
>
> Josh Juneau
> [email protected]
> http://jj-blogger.blogspot.com
> https://www.apress.com/index.php/author/author/view/id/1866
>
> > On Aug 1, 2018, at 5:10 AM, Delfi Ramirez <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Agreed to most of the proposed index / scheme
> >
> > Please consider
> >
> > "* Part 1: Using Apache NetBeans *: Chapter 3: New features, jigsaw
> support, jshell, etc."
> >
> > To be indexed in Part 3, or part 2, for academic purposes, maybe. due to
> the fact that the "New features" section can grow in a second donation or
> through git collab
> >
> > cheers
> >
> >
> > Delfi Ramirez
> >
> > Segonquart Studio
> >
> > https://segonquart.net
> >
> > From: John Kostaras
> > Sent: 01 August 2018 10:02
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: [Apache NetBeans 9 Apress Book] Starting the new book
> >
> > Hallo again,
> >
> > and thank you for your feedback. I couldn't have described the effort
> > needed in a better way.
> >
> > In order to somehow start, here are few things that we need to consider
> in
> > my opinion.
> >
> > 1. *How we can cooperate.*
> > 1. I suggest that we use a header like the one in this email in
> order
> > to make it easier to categorise the emails targeting the group of
> authors
> > of the book, and don't disturb others in the dev mailing list.
> > 2. I have also created a google group (
> > [email protected]) which you could join (I
> > 'll also try to invite some of those in this thread that are
> > interested in
> > contributing).
> > 3. Are you aware of any web co-authoring tool? There are a number
> > wiki-like ones, free and non-free, but I don't know of any that
> > we can keep
> > our work restricted of the world. I use for example github.io. I
> > don't know if Apress can offer us such an infrastructure, i.e. a
> > wiki that
> > can be private to its members to co-author a book? Bertrand
> mentions that
> > Any PoC in Apress Josh?
> > 2. *Book structure*
> > 1. We also need to decide on the book structure. Geertjan already
> > proposed to split it into three parts, each of
> > which could be split into about 5 chapters:
> > Part 1: Using Apache NetBeans
> > Part 2: Extending Apache NetBeans
> > Part 3: Contributing to Apache NetBeans
> > 2. We need to decide what will these 5x3 = 15 chapters are going to
> > be and who writes what.
> > 1. E.g. thanks to Oliver:
> > 2. - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4k5JpluJM8
> > https://www.slideshare.net/GeertjanWielenga/extending-nbide
> > - new language support
> > - some available language additions
> > - useful available external plugins
> > 3. Thanks to Milos here is a lot of material on NetBeans Platform
> > Cookbook <http://wiki.netbeans.org/BookNBPlatformCookbook> which
> > we could use as a base for some chapters rewriting them to NB
> > 9 (again for
> > Part 2)
> > 4. I 'll do a search and provide a list of all available NetBeans
> > books published so far, so that we could have an idea what
> > has been out
> > there, and maybe give more ideas for chapters.
> >
> > Here is a very draft proposal of the various chapters, but we could
> discuss
> > of course:
> >
> > *Part 1: Using Apache NetBeans*
> > Chapter 1: What is NetBeans. A short history of NetBeans. Apache
> NetBeans.
> > Distinction of NetBeans platform and NetBeans IDE. New features support
> in
> > version 9. How do download and install Apache NetBeans 9
> > Chapter 2: Getting Started with NetBeans. Layout, editing files and
> > projects, tips and tricks
> > Chapter 3: New features, jigsaw support, jshell etc.
> > Chapter 4: Running, debugging, profiling applications
> > Chapter 5: Developing desktop applications (Swing and JavaFX)
> >
> > *Part 2: Extending Apache NetBeans*
> > Chapter 6: Introduction to NetBeans RCP. Core, UI
> > Chapter 7: Module System, File System, Lookup
> > Chapter 8: Window system, Actions, Nodes and Explorers, HTML/UI
> > Chapter 9: Extras, Visual Library, Dialogs, etc.
> > Chapter 10: Writing a NetBeans plugin
> >
> > *Part 3: Contributing to Apache NetBeans* *(a lot of material can be
> found
> > in our cwiki <https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/>)*
> > Chapter 11: Overview of how NetBeans 9 is hosted in Apache,
> infrastructure:
> > Apache JIRA, Confluence, wiki etc.
> > Chapter 12: Apache mailing list, Apache NetBeans web page
> > Chapter 13: NetCAT, synergy
> > Chapter 14: How to download and build Apache NetBeans 9 from sources;
> > Chapter 15: How to contribute (fixing bugs, articles, web site, NETCAT,
> > writing plugins); what needs to be done (e.g. code donations etc.)
> >
> > I look forward your feedback.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > John.
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 16 Jul 2018 at 14:38, Geertjan Wielenga
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> Broadly, I think such a book should be split into three parts, each of
> >> which could be split into about 5 chapters:
> >>
> >> Part 1: Using Apache NetBeans
> >> Part 2: Extending Apache NetBeans
> >> Part 3: Contributing to Apache NetBeans
> >>
> >> Gj
> >>
> >>> On Monday, July 16, 2018, Delfi Ramirez <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi All:
> >>>
> >>> Agreed there is the need of a chapter-by-chapter community written
> book.
> >>>
> >>> Count me in. Even if there is the need for the book, once written, of
> a
> >>> single translator for the whole community content.
> >>>
> >>> Even everyone of us has English as a mother tongue or second tongue, we
> >>> may able to reach and target new markets and new loyal fellows in this
> >>> world wide world we live in
> >>>
> >>> Cheers
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Delfi Ramirez
> >>>
> >>> Segonquart Studio
> >>>
> >>> https://segonquart.net
> >>>
> >>> From: Oliver Rettig
> >>> Sent: 16 July 2018 13:47
> >>> To: [email protected]
> >>> Subject: Re: Apache NetBeans Apress Book
> >>>
> >>> Hi all,
> >>>
> >>> I like the idea of a community-written book very much. This can
> >> encourage
> >>> people to join
> >>> our great community and it show that netbeans is now a apache project
> ...
> >>> For me the
> >>> community is one of the most important facts to work with netbeans and
> >>> rarely with eclipse.
> >>>
> >>> I have some experience with writing a book for Tomcat 5:
> >>>
> >>> https://www.rheinwerk-verlag.de/tomcat-5_700/
> >>>
> >>> and the most important thing I have learned from this book project is:
> >>> better not to write
> >>> such books alone.
> >>>
> >>> It would be a pleasure for me to write a chapter for a
> community-written
> >>> Netbeans book, or
> >>> may be to translate from english to german some parts, if we want to
> have
> >>> a german
> >>> version.
> >>>
> >>> But I have less experience in organzing such things. In scientific
> >>> communities typically you
> >>> have an editor or a small team of editors. Their job is often really a
> >> lot
> >>> of work: to defines the
> >>> chapters/articles, to find people who can write the articles and to
> push
> >>> the authors to deliver
> >>> in the timeline.
> >>>
> >>> An other question is where and how to publish the book. My experience
> >> with
> >>> the Tomcat
> >>> book was that the publisher was a really great help in formatting and
> >>> proofreading. And a
> >>> publisher can be a very big help in invertising for apache netbeans.
> >>>
> >>> But it should be also possible to write the book without a publisher at
> >>> our own. In this case
> >>> we can have an open-pdf-Version of the book. Maye we can have this too
> >>> with a publisher?
> >>>
> >>> best regards
> >>> Oliver
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> I've been approached by Apress regarding interest in a book on Apache
> >>>> NetBeans. I personally do not have enough time to devote to another
> >> book
> >>>> right now, so I wanted to send a note to the Apache NetBeans developer
> >>>> group to see if there are any developers interested in authoring a
> book
> >>>> (perhaps a collaborative effort).
> >>>>
> >>>> I know things are very busy right now, and I've already told Apress
> >> that
> >>>> the main focus is the release of Apache NetBeans 9 right now, but
> >> maybe a
> >>>> book project could start this fall. There are no timelines right
> >>>> now...just interest in a book on the new open Apache NetBeans IDE.
> >>>>
> >>>> If anyone is interested then reply to this message and I can get a
> list
> >>> of
> >>>> names together to send along to Apress.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks
> >>>>
> >>>> Josh Juneau
> >>>> [email protected]
> >>>> http://jj-blogger.blogspot.com
> >>>> https://www.apress.com/index.php/author/author/view/id/1866
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
>
