Adrian Custer wrote: > Hey WebIDE and App-Manager developers, > > do you really not understand why it was such a bad idea to *replace* > the menu entry for App Manager rather than *add* a new entry for > WebIDE?
No. I understand. And I even agree. Damn... all this river of text when you could just have filed a bug, like everybody does: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1055244 Patch attached. > That our points of view differ so dramatically on this issue > suggests a need to address our differences. > > I am having a hard time figuring out your point of view. You are > apparently writing tools for us to use to write great Firefox OS > apps and make the platform kick a**. However, you do not seem > focused on our needs. First, you make a change with little concern > for our workflow and day to day work. Then, when faced with push > back like this thread, your instincts are to answer with > self-justification rather than trying to figure out what the user > need actually was and why friction arose. > > The transition could have been a delight. You could have announced > the tool, given us access to it, helped us discover and learn to use > it and listened to feedback. All the while we would have been > productive with whichever tool was working for us. Instead, in using > a no-transition approach, you were essentially saying "Hey, it > doesn't matter that your in the middle of something potentially > complicated like muddling your way through derivatives of > cartographic projections, today, before you do anything else, you > have to drop everything and learn to use our new tool just to get > your code running on your device." From my point of view, that lacks > respect. REALLY. I did not like it. > > The puzzling thing is that your approach was totally, completely, > absolutely unnecessary. Had it been neccessary, and accompanied by > an 'Sorry folks but we are having to do a no-transition upgrade on > the app tool that will land next week. Find out more ...' one could > have understood. But it turns out it was totally unnecessary and it > caused a few hours of confusion, angst, failed reversion attempts > and pain until I re-discovered the magic 'about:app-manager' URL. > > So, you all need to decide on your priority: is it writing your tool > or helping Firefox OS developers get work done? From that decision, > lots will follow naturally. > > > > Okay, I'm tired of this thread but to clear up some issues. > > NO ONE IS ASKING YOU TO KEEP WORKING ON APP-MANAGER, to fix its > bugs, to not build WebIDE. We all expect you have great reasons for > your start from scratch approach to the tool. Great, go for it. I > look forwards to using it when it is stable and noticeably better > than App-Manager. Also, we are all enthusiasts and will move to > WebIDE sooner rather than later; Julien's 'fear' seems groundless to > me. > > Asking us to file bugs is fine; using it as an excuse for your > no-transition is bullshit. We file bugs (though given the lack of > follow up on Mozilla's end, that is starting to suck too). I just > spent an hour trying to isolote and file a bug in Nightly's handling > of canvas size. I'll get around to filing bugs on WebIDE someday, > but not today, I have work to get through. Okay? And please, never > ask me to drop everything to use a tool that will probably break and > file bugs when I have my own work to do. > > Nightly if we are going to be productive using it, can not be a > 'Mozilla does whatever the fuck it wants'. Nightly, first and > foremost is the latest browser code. That's how we get bug fixes for > browser issues, maybe even issues we have just filed. So your > developer tools in nightly should play nice with letting me reliably > and safely use the latest browser code. Yes, per the shared > understanding of Nightlies, you are *allowed* to do no-transition > changes on Nightly. But why, unless it is strictly necessary, would > you? Do you not appreciate any of the issues such transitions cause? > And if ever you decide to do such a change, given their cost, it > probably makes sense to do a lot of coordination around them, not > just amongst yourselves but with your users as well. > > > So. Thanks for the new tool and I look forwards to using it someday. > Congratulations on all the hard work it took to get here. Sorry that > we didn't manage a more graceful transition. > > cheers, > ~adrian -- Paul _______________________________________________ dev-b2g mailing list [email protected] https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-b2g
