Good news, just meeting with Urmika now and approach #3b is a go! Only detail is that we only allow birthyear choice once, so users will have to choose carefully.
Ryan Feeley UX, Cloud Services Mozilla UX IRC: rfeeley On Aug 20, 2014, at 4:29 PM, Chris Karlof <[email protected]> wrote: > As FxA expands to other services, it is probably good time to revisit this. > Here’s the current plan: > > 1) Ryan is going to talk with Mika on the legality of approach #3. > 2) After 1), we’ll explore implementation strategies on all our platforms. > > -chris > > On Aug 20, 2014, at 11:59 AM, Peter deHaan <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Clearly #1 is the best solution. >> >> Why? input type=date >> >> On my Flame and iPhone, it displays a handy spinner wheel which makes >> year/month/day input silly fast >> (http://www.w3schools.com/html/tryit.asp?filename=tryhtml5_input_type_date >> -- sadly w3schools was the only half decent docs i found with an example). I >> don't have my Nexus 4 handy to see how Android Chrome and Android Firefox >> currently treat that input type though. >> On the downside, desktop browser support is probably poor and i'm not sure >> how we could easily switch to some jQuery calendar solution or fall back to >> something else. http://caniuse.com/#feat=input-datetime >> >> -peter >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Karl Thiessen" <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 7:58:20 AM >> Subject: Re: Improving age verification >> >> I think Greg puts it succinctly; I am quite firmly in this camp. >> >> Thanks, >> --KT. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Greg Norcie" <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 2:15:51 PM >> Subject: Re: Improving age verification >> >> I don't know if anyone on this list had the dubious pleasure of being a >> tween under COPPA, but it was quite annoying. If I wanted to say, sign >> up for say, a Debian discussion forum, I had to lie about my age. I >> would be extremely unhappy if once I was finally 13, a service excluded >> me because it was "too much effort" to cover my edge case. I might even >> be annoyed enough to seek out another product. Isn't one of this year's >> goals to grow the Firefox userbase? >> >> Second, while 13 year olds might not be particularly passionate about >> Sync, what about other projects like Loop. I'll bet 13 year olds would >> be pretty annoyed if they couldn't sign up for the latest messaging app. >> >> I understand there's limited developer resources, but frankly, this >> seems like pretty minor fix. If the user is in the magic year, ask for a >> full birthdate. And we wouldn't even need to retain the data right? Just >> that the verification passed? So it's not like there is a privacy issue. >> I think we should think about the signal we are sending to the >> community if we leave this bug open. Do we want to tell an already >> disenfranchised group we don't care about them? >> -- >> Greg Norcie >> >> On 8/19/14, 1:20 PM, Edwin Wong wrote: >>> Sorry - I was quick to the punch there... That was in reference to >>> solution #3 or #3a. >>> >>> I think if we're going 'improve' age verification, we need to support the >>> exact dates for 13 year old. I'd choose the least amount of work possible >>> to support exact age verification but with no impact on users over 13. >>> >>> -edwin >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Edwin Wong" <[email protected]> >>> To: "Nick Alexander" <[email protected]> >>> Cc: [email protected] >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 1:16:17 PM >>> Subject: Re: Improving age verification >>> >>> At first I thought the same... but the MM/DD/YYYY picker ONLY displays if >>> you pick the year that says you're 12 or 13. If you are over 13, you will >>> never see this date picker/form fields. >>> >>> -edwin >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Nick Alexander" <[email protected]> >>> To: [email protected] >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 10:34:10 AM >>> Subject: Re: Improving age verification >>> >>> On 2014-08-19, 10:25 AM, Ryan Feeley wrote: >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> Currently our sign-up form makes users feel older (born 1990 or earlier?), >>>> and excludes some kids born in the magic year: >>>> https://accounts.firefox.com/signup >>>> >>>> Finally… here are three proposals to improve our age verification: >>>> https://www.lucidchart.com/documents/view/9a25eda5-f03d-46c0-80bf-756cd17da7c3 >>>> >>>> Remember that The Children's Online Privacy Protection Act of 1998 (COPPA) >>>> is a United States federal law that requires that we use a “neutral" age >>>> verification mechanism. >>>> >>>> I believe option #1 and #2 are neutral, but I’ll require legal input for >>>> #3. >>>> >>>> Which do you prefer: #1, #2, #3, #3a or leave it the same? >>> >>> Entering YMD (#1) on mobile is out of the question. Unbelievably >>> terrible with keyboards, Swype, auto-complete, etc. >>> >>> I could be convinced that #2 without the day field (what do we care? >>> round!) is worth it. But maybe we just go for a larger year range. >>> >>> #3 is a lot of effort for a really small win. In general, my political >>> features are not unduly ruffled by denying folks in the cusp year access. >>> >>> Nick >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Dev-fxacct mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-fxacct >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Dev-fxacct mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-fxacct >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Dev-fxacct mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-fxacct >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Dev-fxacct mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-fxacct >> _______________________________________________ >> Dev-fxacct mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-fxacct >> _______________________________________________ >> Dev-fxacct mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-fxacct > > _______________________________________________ > Dev-fxacct mailing list > [email protected] > https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-fxacct
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