Hi Gregory

I support your decisions for about 95%... and I don't care too much about the 
remaining 5% as I have closed this gap for my CE customers with custom code.

+ Multiple subscribers -> only needed in big setups -> EE feature
- Multiple sites > this is my 5% where I don't agree. We'r already loosing 
against PHP hosting with Java solutions (money-wise). If we need to run each 
small STK site in 2 magnolia instances of their own, we definitely our out of 
the game for small customers. Currently we're running up to 20 and more sites 
in one Magnolia (JSP-Sites). And we're doing all new sites in STK.
+ Workflow -> definitely an EE feature
+/- GPL (no more badge) -> we think Magnolia should get credit for the CE work. 
Only one of our customers could not place the badge on the site because of 
agreements with his sponsors (we did this site without STK). But you're right: 
It is a barrier for some and I don't think it helps you push your business in 
the magnitude that would justify this barrier.
++ Imaging: Finally! If I wasn't that busy I would have started my own imaging 
module looong time ago. Every little crappy PHP CMS has been scaling pictures 
out of the box for ages!
+ Commenting: Cool. Would be nice if that would be moved to CE quickly so that 
we can use it in the Blog module that we've talked about.

I don't see too much reason why you should bum anyone with these changes. So 
thumbs up from my part.

-will


On 09.09.2011, at 16:34, Grégory Joseph wrote:

> 
> Hi,
> 
> Following my email announcing 4.5 yesterday, here is another, less 
> time-constrained, topic which we want to expose and discuss.
> 
> There's an old itch that Magnolia, as a company, has wanted to scratch for a 
> while:  we need to have a clearer distinction between the community and the 
> enterprise editions of Magnolia. It's always been a struggle explaining what 
> was different, and why.
> 
> We've talked to various community members, partners, customers; we've looked 
> at what we have now and where the differences are, and realized that we can 
> indeed streamline and simplify them. And in helping clarifying the 
> distinction between the editions, we think we can drive the development of 
> *both* editions of the product further.
> 
> Our current plan is to turn the following points into enterprise features:
>  * Multiple subscribers
>  * Multiple sites (this is already the case, as implemented with ETK)
>  * Workflow - at some point in the future, we will migrate to a new workflow 
> engine, and this new module will most likely be EE-only.
> 
> The rationale here being that, quite simply, those are features that are 
> primarily used by larger enterprises.
> 
> Conversely, we're looking into at least the following changes for the 
> community edition:
>  * STK's license changes to GPL. No more badge. We thought it was just time 
> to get rid of that barrier. We're now hoping for a broader STK user base and 
> eco system !
>  * The imaging module goes to CE (GPL, open source and bundled with STK) - no 
> more silly non-resized images with CE.
>  * The commenting module will also go CE. This hasn't been discussed much 
> just yet, but I assume you'll still have the choice to use an external 
> commenting if you wish, but it just makes sense to have this module along 
> side the forum module, which it depends on.
> 
> These are the main current plans, anyway. Other changes or ideas are not out 
> of the question, with the 2 main goals of streamlining the differences, 
> keeping them where they make sense from a business perspective, all the while 
> allowing greater adoption and participation with the product we all love.
> 
> In terms of schedule, STK 2.0, which will come with Magnolia 4.5, will have 
> its license changed. Other changes are currently not scheduled precisely, so 
> we're perhaps looking at making those other changes for 5.0.
> 
> We realize these changes might bum some people out, but we also think they 
> will rejoice others; and that in general, it's a decision that will help 
> driving the product forward. As always, we look forward to your feedback and 
> will be happy to discuss or clarify points as needed.
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> 
> Grégory Joseph
> Magnolia International Ltd.
> 
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