I understand this point, but at present there are a number of other
things standing
in the way of doing good group conferencing, so we need to focus our resources
on them first.

However, If you would like to contribute a patch that did ICE-TCP, we
would be willing to dedicate some resources to helping you and/or
reviewing it...

Best,
-Ekr


On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 7:09 AM,  <[email protected]> wrote:
> Thanks for your response.  Here's my plea for ICE-TCP ;)
>
> I know that TURN/TCP has landed in Fx28 and that is one way to establish a
> TCP connection when UDP is blocked.  However, UDP blockage is not the only
> reason to require TCP.  Currently, I think that there is no way to force the
> client to use TURN/TCP when UDP is *not* blocked.
>
> The reason this matters to me is for a group conference with a large fan
> out.  For example, 1 person is speaking, and his audio/video stream is going
> out to 500 listeners.  (a common scenario in my product).  There is an
> enormous advantage to be gained if you can make sure no packets go missing
> between the sender and the MCU.
>
> When it is possible to craft an offer containing a single ICE TCP candidate,
> you can be certain that the sender is connected by TCP.  However, if you
> have a UDP candidate only, along with a TURN server, the sender might use
> TURN/TCP, or he might not, depending on the connection check results.
>
> NACK exists for video packets, but audio is a different story, and some
> people's connections have high loss.  When communicating 1:1 low latency is
> more important than packet loss.  When communicating 1:N, I think that
> packet loss on the sender-server leg becomes very important for large N.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 2:33 PM, Eric Rescorla <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> ICE-TCP is not currently scheduled.
>>
>> We are currently working on BUNDLE but don't have a schedule.
>> I did know that.
>>
>> -Ekr
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 4:29 AM,  <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > Can you provide an update on when these features are expected to land?
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