On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 2:59 AM, Justin Lebar <justin.le...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Now, maybe your argument would be that everyone else should use the
> rich text editor like you do, because it's an obviously-superior
> experience.  In that case, I'd suggest you just remove the ability to
> edit the source directly, since there's no point in offering a
> second-rate editing experience.  But I think that would belie a
> fundamental misunderstanding of your audience.  It's the Mozilla
> /Developer/ Network.  Most of us produce machine-parsed text of some
> form, by hand, in a plain-text editor, many hours a day.  Plain text
> is our chosen method of technical communication.


Here you seem to be making an argument that those of us who edit plain-text
most of the time (program source code and HTML testcases, I assume) must
necessarily prefer to use plain-text for all forms of communication. This
argument seems invalid.


> It's hard for us to
> get the rich-text editor to do what we want, and anyway, doing so
> requires using the mouse (or leaning new keyboard shortcuts, if the
> MDN rich-text editor has those?).  We're HTML programmers who would be
> ashamed to write such ugly HTML and can't stand reading it.
>

I'm not sure who "we" refers to here, but I assume it's the afore-mentioned
group of plain-text editors, including me. So I refute your statement by
example: I don't care whether my MDN HTML is ugly. Basically, there are
several good reasons to prefer plain-text for program source code and HTML
testcases, but none of them apply to MDN, so I'm happy to use a WYSIWYG
editor and ignore the plain-text.

I understand that this seems like a bikeshed.  I'm a grumpy programmer
> with an opinion.  But I don't think this is a trivial issue.  After
> the stability issues, which perhaps are now fixed, the HTML ugliness
> is the primary reason I avoid MDN at all costs.  It sounds like I'm
> not alone.
>

I don't understand this. I understand that you have a strong preference,
but if editing MDN would help advance your work, refusing to do so because
you don't like the WYSIWYG editor just seems obdurate. I have lots of
strong preferences that I subjugate every day for the sake of getting work
done, and I'm sure you do too.

Rob
-- 
“You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’
But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,
that you may be children of your Father in heaven. ... If you love those
who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors
doing that? And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more
than others?" [Matthew 5:43-47]
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