Mozilla proposed the NPAPI changes to get rid of windowed plug-ins [1] but 
there wasn't a big enough reason to change the Flash Player at that time--the 
threat of content breakage wasn't that high. If content breakage is certain via 
multi-process with windowed plug-ins, then Adobe will likely be more motivated 
to make the changes. Should I get a call going over there?

--Jet

[1]https://wiki.mozilla.org/NPAPI:AsyncDrawing

----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert O'Callahan" <rob...@ocallahan.org>
To: "Benjamin Smedberg" <benja...@smedbergs.us>
Cc: dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org, "John Schoenick" <jo...@mozilla.com>, "Bill 
McCloskey" <wmcclos...@mozilla.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 7, 2013 2:20:05 PM
Subject: Re: Flash and e10s

On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 2:14 AM, Benjamin Smedberg <benja...@smedbergs.us>wrote:

> The primary reason I know for windowed Flash to be a huge PITA is because
> of the deadlock issues caused by attached input queues. I'd love to force
> Flash to be windowless and use our fullscreen support instead of their own
> windows, because this would fix many of the deadlock issues.
>

That would be nice.

What other issues are you concerned about specifically?


Managing window geometry from the master process is going to be a bit of a
pain, since we'll have to combine information from the content process(es)
with information about the geometry and visibility of the browsing context.
It's doable though.


>
>> One idea I had is this: suppose, independently of e10s, we make Flash
>> click-to-play. (I understand this is already a goal, or at least a wish.)
>>
> It is neither a goal nor feasible. We did user research into this at the
> beginning of the year, and there is enough hidden Flash out on the web that
> click to play is just too confusing for the average user.
>

OK, that's very good to know. That scotches my idea. Thanks!

Rob
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