It's worth noting that StartCom isn't actually a free CA. They've
demonstrated that with the business model they're using.


On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 6:18 PM, Peter Eckersley <[email protected]> wrote:

> Removing Startcom from the trust root would be a catastrophe for the
> security of Mozilla's users, since it would move the Web from one free CA
> to zero free CAs, thereby forcing over a hundred thousand websites from
> HTTPS (which is actually still not terrible, even if you had a window of
> Heartbleed vulnerability) to HTTP (which is completely and utterly
> insecurable).
>
> Startcom needs to implement support for free self-signed revocation, but I
> don't think they're obliged to reissue for you.
>
> And my advice to any website that (a) wants to do something to feel better
> about Heartbleed and (b) isn't willing to pay $25 for reissuance would be
> to turn on Perfect Forward Secrecy and keep using their old cert.  That's
> going to get you to a better final state than revoking and using HTTP or
> self-signed w/ cert warnings.
>
>
> On 21 April 2014 17:50, Radu Hociung <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > On Monday, April 21, 2014 12:32:43 PM UTC-4, Daniel Micay wrote:
> > > Mozilla has all the
> > > cards in their hands here.
> >
> > Indeed. I'm glad to see others before me reached the same conclusion,
> that
> > the appropriate response is to remove the trusted status of Startcom.
> >
> > The original bugzilla #994033 was closed, this issue has been debated in
> > the mailing list for a few days, but what is the resolution?
> >
> > AFAICT, Mozilla's position is "Startcom is here to stay"?
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