On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 2:47 PM,  <[email protected]> wrote:
> To the larger discussion, I have 2 questions: 1) what is the specific message 
> you'd like to convey to the user ‎beyond what the simple lock icon provides.

That the site not only uses authenticated https but uses authenticated
https *better*. (I think forward secrecy and HSTS can be considered
the main ingredients of "better".)

The bar for the old lock is pretty low: You get the old lock with
SSL3, RSA key transport and RC4 without HSTS. However, just changing
the criteria for the old lock would probably have the effect of
"crying wolf", since so many currently lock-bearing sites don't meet
the better criteria.

> 2) What action do you intend the user to take based on seeing the new 
> indicator?

I expect most users not to take any action. I'd expect site admins who
see the new indicator on someone else's site to thing "Why does the
other site have a cooler lock than mine? I want the cooler lock, too."
and then learn how to get the cooler lock. I'd also expect a small
group of technically informed users, who currently don't bother
inspecting the ciphersuite and HSTS state of sites, to nag sites that
they use but that don't have the new indicator to fix their act to get
the new indicator.

-- 
Henri Sivonen
[email protected]
https://hsivonen.fi/
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